On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Some comments advocated "nuke", but I think the most prescient comments were
>> from Curt[1] and Paul[2], at least those are the ones I agree with.  I think
>> Paul's suggestion of a stripped down log4j.jar and a separate
>> log4j-with-gui.jar is probably the best approach, though I'd go further to
>> say that with Chainsaw V2 making its official debut soon, it wouldn't make
>> sense to keep V1 inside a log4j-with-gui.jar.  I would advocate utilities
>> being separate entities unto themselves.  Users of Lf5 are not likely using
>> either version of Chainsaw, and vice-versa.  And Chainsaw V1 users are
>> likely not using V2, and vice-versa.  Therefore these utilities should be
>> distributed as separate jars (i.e., using a multi-module build).
>
> I got the impression Lf5 is dead and Chainsaw 1 is too.
> But it seems it is not. Lets try to get the classes back and create a
> multi module log4j 1.

Ah and with "get them back" I meant we can svn cp them from the tag -
no need for a complicated revert.

Cheers



> Anthony has setup a github repos somewhere, we can look at that for
> inspiration. In addition i wrote him a PM if he has still an interest
> in helping with these task.
>
> I will try to communicate the steps I do with the pom refactoring on
> this list. Please keep your eyes open for "I nuke em all" messages and
> tell me, if I am doing mistakes :-)
>
> Cheers + thanks for the heads up
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
>>
>>
>>> Still I don't see reason to keep it. Of course we can discuss making a
>>> multi module project of maven, as Anthony showed us.
>>> Maybe he is even available for some patches? I forgot about his work
>>> until today.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, the multi-module build approach would be perfect for this.  If Anthony
>> is available to do this, that would be great.
>>
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> [1]
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-log4j-dev/201004.mbox/%[email protected]%3E
>>
>> [2]
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-log4j-dev/201004.mbox/%[email protected]%3E
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jake
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 30 May 2012 06:53:58 UTC
>>>>>  <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To whom it may engage...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more
>>>>>> information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or
>>>>>> contact
>>>>>> the folk at [email protected].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Project logging-log4j-12 has an issue affecting its community
>>>>>> integration.
>>>>>> This issue affects 143 projects,
>>>>>> and has been outstanding for 1309 runs.
>>>>>> The current state of this project is 'Failed', with reason 'Build
>>>>>> Failed'.
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>>>>>>     - commons-betwixt :  Commons Betwixt Package
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>>>>>>     - commons-digester-rss :  Digester RSS Example
>>>>>>     - commons-digester-test :  Apache Commons Digester 2.x
>>>>>>     - commons-digester3 :  XML to Java Object Configuration
>>>>>>     - commons-digester3-test :  Apache Commons
>>>>>>     - commons-discovery :  Commons Discovery Package
>>>>>>     - commons-el :  Expression Language
>>>>>>     - commons-fileupload :  Commons File Upload Package
>>>>>>     - commons-httpclient :  HTTP Client Library, version 3.1
>>>>>>     - commons-httpclient-2.0-branch :  HTTP Client Library, version 2.0
>>>>>>     - commons-id :  Commons Identifier Package
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>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-ant :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-ant-test :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-antlr :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-avalon :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-bean :  Commons Jelly
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>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-log :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-memory :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-regexp :  Commons Jelly
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>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-xml :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-tags-xmlunit :  Commons Jelly
>>>>>>     - commons-jelly-test :  Commons Jelly
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>>>>>>     - commons-logging-step-1 :  Logging Library Package
>>>>>>     - commons-messenger :  A web based JMS framework
>>>>>>     - commons-modeler :  Modeler MBeans
>>>>>>     - commons-services :  Basic Services Architecture
>>>>>>     - commons-validator :  Validation Framework
>>>>>>     - commons-vfs2-sandbox :  Apache Commons
>>>>>>     - db-ddlutils :  Easy-to-use component for working with Database
>>>>>> Definition (...
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>>>>>> that trans...
>>>>>>     - forrest-rat :  Apache Forrest software is a publishing framework
>>>>>> that trans...
>>>>>>     - forrest-test :  Apache Forrest software is a publishing framework
>>>>>> that trans...
>>>>>>     - forrest-test-basic :  Apache Forrest software is a publishing
>>>>>> framework that trans...
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>>>>>>     - fulcrum-dvsl :  Services Framework
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>>>>>>     - ivy :  Apache Ivy is a tool for managing (recording, tracking,
>>>>>> reso...
>>>>>>     - ivy-tests :  Apache Ivy is a tool for managing (recording,
>>>>>> tracking, reso...
>>>>>>     - jakarta-bsf :  Bean Scripting Framework
>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-4.0 :  Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 Reference
>>>>>> Implementation
>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-catalina :  Servlet 2.4 Reference Implementation
>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-coyote :  Connectors to various web servers
>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-coyote-tomcat4 :  Connectors to various web
>>>>>> servers
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>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-jasper_tc5 :  JavaServer Pages JSP 2.0
>>>>>> implementation (for Tomcat 5.x)
>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-jk :  Connectors to various web servers
>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-jni :  Connectors to various web servers
>>>>>>     - jakarta-tomcat-util :  Connectors to various web servers
>>>>>>     - javax.el :  Java Servlet 2.5 & Server Pages JSP 2.1
>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>> (for ...
>>>>>>     - javax.servlet :  Java Servlet 2.5 & Server Pages JSP 2.1
>>>>>> implementation (for ...
>>>>>>     - javax.servlet.jsp :  Java Servlet 2.5 & Server Pages JSP 2.1
>>>>>> implementation (for ...
>>>>>>     - jgroups :  A Reliable Multicast Communication Toolkit for Java
>>>>>>     - jmeter-svn :  Pure Java load testing and performance measurement
>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>    ...
>>>>>>     - jmeter-test :  Pure Java load testing and performance measurement
>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>    ...
>>>>>>     - logging-log4cxx-ant :  Apache log4cxx
>>>>>>     - logging-log4cxx-ant-no_wchar_t :  Apache log4cxx
>>>>>>     - logging-log4cxx-ant-static :  Apache log4cxx
>>>>>>     - logging-log4j-12 :  Fast and flexible logging package for Java
>>>>>>     - logging-log4j-12-tests :  Fast and flexible logging package for
>>>>>> Java
>>>>>>     - logging-log4j-chainsaw :  Chainsaw log viewer
>>>>>>     - logging-log4j-component :  Back-port of log4j 1.3 component
>>>>>> framework for use with log4...
>>>>>>     - logging-log4j-component-test :  Back-port of log4j 1.3 component
>>>>>> framework for use with log4...
>>>>>>     - logging-log4j-extras :  Back-ports of log4j 1.3 features and
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> enhancements for ...
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>>>>>> other enhancements for ...
>>>>>>     - lucene-java :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-analyzers :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-analyzers-test :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-contrib :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-contrib-test :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-init :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-test :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-test-framework :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - lucene-java-tools :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - org.apache.poi :  POI
>>>>>>     - org.apache.velocity.velocity-engine :  Velocity Templating engine
>>>>>>     - org.apache.xmlgraphics.fop :  XSL-FO (Formatting Objects)
>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>     - poi :  POI
>>>>>>     - poi-test :  POI
>>>>>>     - portals-pluto-api-1.0 :  JSR168 Container
>>>>>>     - portals-pluto-container-1.0 :  JSR168 Container
>>>>>>     - portals-pluto-deploy-1.0 :  JSR168 Container
>>>>>>     - portals-pluto-descriptors-1.0 :  JSR168 Container
>>>>>>     - portals-pluto-portal-1.0 :  JSR168 Container
>>>>>>     - santuario :  XML-Signature Syntax and Processing
>>>>>>     - santuario-tests :  XML-Signature Syntax and Processing
>>>>>>     - solr :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - solr-test :  Java Based Search Engine
>>>>>>     - testng :  Java Unit test framework
>>>>>>     - testng-deps :  Java Unit test framework
>>>>>>     - tomcat-catalina :  Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 Reference
>>>>>> Implementation
>>>>>>     - tomcat-tc6 :  Java Servlet 2.5 & Server Pages JSP 2.1
>>>>>> implementation (for ...
>>>>>>     - tomcat-tc7.0.x-validate :  Tomcat 7.x, a web server implementing
>>>>>> Java Servlet 3.0,
>>>>>>     ...
>>>>>>     - tomcat-trunk-validate :  Tomcat 8.x, a web server implementing
>>>>>> Java
>>>>>> Servlet 3.1,
>>>>>>     ...
>>>>>>     - velocity-engine :  Velocity Templating engine
>>>>>>     - velocity-engine-test :  Velocity Templating engine
>>>>>>     - ws-axis-test :  Apache eXtensible Interaction System
>>>>>>     - wss4j :  WS-FX Project
>>>>>>     - wss4j-test :  WS-FX Project
>>>>>>     - xml-fop :  XSL-FO (Formatting Objects) processor
>>>>>>     - xml-fop-test :  XSL-FO (Formatting Objects) processor
>>>>>>     - xmlgraphics-commons :  Apache XML Graphics Commons - Common
>>>>>> Components for Batik an...
>>>>>>     - xmlgraphics-commons-test :  Apache XML Graphics Commons - Common
>>>>>> Components for Batik an...
>>>>>>     - xmlrpc2 :  A Java implementation of XML-RPC
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Full details are available at:
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>>>>>> Work ended in a state of : Failed
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : class LogLevel
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.CustomizedLogLevels
>>>>>>     [javac]         _adapter = LogMonitorAdapter.newInstance(new
>>>>>> LogLevel[]{DEFAULT, LEVEL_ONE,
>>>>>>     [javac]                                                      ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/CustomizedLogLevels.java:58:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogLevel
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.CustomizedLogLevels
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                                                 LEVEL_TWO,
>>>>>> LEVEL_THREE, LEVEL_FOUR, LogLevel.FATAL});
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                      ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/CustomizedLogLevels.java:57:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.CustomizedLogLevels
>>>>>>     [javac]         _adapter = LogMonitorAdapter.newInstance(new
>>>>>> LogLevel[]{DEFAULT, LEVEL_ONE,
>>>>>>     [javac]                    ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/UsingLogMonitorAdapter.java:49:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.UsingLogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac]     _adapter =
>>>>>> LogMonitorAdapter.newInstance(LogMonitorAdapter.LOG4J_LOG_LEVELS);
>>>>>>     [javac]                                              ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/UsingLogMonitorAdapter.java:49:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.UsingLogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac]     _adapter =
>>>>>> LogMonitorAdapter.newInstance(LogMonitorAdapter.LOG4J_LOG_LEVELS);
>>>>>>     [javac]                ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/UsingLogMonitorAdapter.java:70:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogLevel
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.UsingLogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac]     _adapter.log(logger, LogLevel.INFO, "Hmmm fobidden
>>>>>> doughnut");
>>>>>>     [javac]                          ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/UsingLogMonitorAdapter.java:71:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogLevel
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.UsingLogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac]     _adapter.log(logger, LogLevel.WARN, "Danger Danger Will
>>>>>> Robinson",
>>>>>>     [javac]                          ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/UsingLogMonitorAdapter.java:73:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogLevel
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.UsingLogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac]     _adapter.log(logger, LogLevel.ERROR, "Exit stage
>>>>>> right->");
>>>>>>     [javac]                          ^
>>>>>>     [javac]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/examples/lf5/UsingLogMonitorAdapter/UsingLogMonitorAdapter.java:74:
>>>>>> cannot find symbol
>>>>>>     [javac] symbol  : variable LogLevel
>>>>>>     [javac] location: class
>>>>>> examples.lf5.UsingLogMonitorAdapter.UsingLogMonitorAdapter
>>>>>>     [javac]     _adapter.log(logger, LogLevel.FATAL, "What's up Doc?",
>>>>>>     [javac]                          ^
>>>>>>     [javac] 28 errors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUILD FAILED
>>>>>> /srv/gump/public/workspace/logging-log4j-12/build.xml:273: Compile
>>>>>> failed; see the compiler error output for details.
>>>>>>
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