Yup. That is what I would expect.  However, it probably requires a Message that 
has a constructor that accepts a Throwable and an object array, which means we 
would probably want a new interface as a marker.

Ralph

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On Oct 4, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> wrote:

> Ooops. I meant this:
> 
> logger.debug(Class<? extends Message> m, Throwable t, Object... 
> messageParams);
> 
> The point was to pass in the Class of the Message so it doesn't get 
> instantiated unless logging is going to occur.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Ralph,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is actually a discussion you and I had a while back when I was 
>>>>> trying to figure out how to use String.format(). I like the model now of 
>>>>> specifying the message class... however...
>>>>> 
>>>>> It does seem a bit unseemly to instantiate an xxxMessage object that may 
>>>>> never get used. I'd rather just pass in the Class<?> and let the logger 
>>>>> instantiate it only if it is going to log something. The only downside is 
>>>>> then configuring the actual class.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So instead of:
>>>> 
>>>> this.logger.debug(new StringFormattedMessage(format, values), t);
>>>> 
>>>> I would do:
>>>> 
>>>> this.logger.debug(StringFormattedMessage.class, t, format, values);
>>> 
>>> I was thinking of adding this signature:
>>> logger.debug(Message m, Throwable t, Object... messageParams);
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Pardon me for being dense, but how does that help in the case of my examples?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for clarifying,
>> Gary 
>>> 
>>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
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