It's not just the groupId/artifactId that changed between Jackson 1 and Jackson 
2. It's the Java package, too. Simply excluding Flume's dependency on 1.x and 
introducing a dependency on 2.x doesn't work. Flume classes literally don't 
load due to NoClassDefFound errors.

N

On May 16, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:

> The master log4j pom.xml should have a version for jackson in the dependency 
> management section. That version should replace any transitive dependencies. 
> However, if the groupId has changed then that doesn't work. You would have to 
> add the Jackson 2 dependencies to flume-ng's pom.xml and exclude the old 
> artifact/groupId.
> 
> Note that required transitive dependencies are never obvious just by looking 
> at a pom.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> 
> On May 16, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> 
>> So this is all kinds of fun...
>> 
>> log4j-core depends on:
>> ....jackson 1.9.11 (optional)
>> log4j-flume-ng depends on:
>> ....flume-ng-sdk 1.3.1 depends on:
>> ........avro 1.7.2 depends on:
>> ............jackson 1.8.8
>> flume-embedded (sample) depends on:
>> ....flume-ng-sdk 1.3.1 depends on:
>> ........avro 1.7.2 depends on:
>> ............jackson 1.8.8
>> ....flume-ng-node 1.3.1 depends on:
>> ........jackson 1.9.3
>> 
>> So, we already had three different versions of Jackson in the build: 1.8.8, 
>> 1.9.3, and 1.9.11 ... yuck!
>> 
>> I took the following steps:
>> 
>> 1) I upgraded log4j-core's dependency from 1.9.11 to 2.2.1 without any 
>> negative consequences. Everything compiled and all the tests passed. At this 
>> point the dependencies were now 1.8.8, 1.9.3, and 2.2.1.
>> 2) I used dependency exclusions to exclude 1.8.8 and got it down to just 
>> 1.9.3 and 2.2.1. Everything compiled and all the tests passed.
>> 3) I tried to eliminate 1.9.3 through a further dependency exclusion, but 
>> log4j-flume-ng classes didn't load anymore. This indicated that Jackson is 
>> NOT an optional dependency of log4j-flume-ng, but instead is a mandatory 
>> dependency, which wasn't obvious the way it was set up.
>> 4) I kept the 1.9.3 dependency exclusion but added a mandatory 1.9.11 
>> /runtime/ dependency for log4j-flume-ng. Now everything compiles and all 
>> tests pass again, and the Jackson dependencies are limited to the latest 
>> minor.patch versions of each major version: 1.9.11 (log4j-flume-ng only, 
>> runtime) and 2.2.1 (log4j-core only, compile).
>> 
>> Ralph said below "I have no problem upgrading to 2.x so long as it works for 
>> both the JSON configuration and Flume." It doesn't work with Flume; Flume 
>> requires 1.x. So as a next step we can either:
>> 
>> 1) Revert my changes to configuration so that it relies on Jackson 1.9.11 as 
>> well and not on 2.2.1.
>> 2) Apply my earlier suggestion that we support both 1.9.11 /and/ 2.2.1 or 
>> configuration.
>> 3) Stick with what we have: 1.9.11 for Flume, 2.2.1 for JSON configuration, 
>> and no more dependency on 1.8.8.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On May 15, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> 
>>> I wrote the JSON support just after the ApacheCon in Vancouver, which I 
>>> believe was in 2011. If 2.x was available then it was brand new and the 
>>> documentation was slim.  I have no problem upgrading to 2.x so long as it 
>>> works for both the JSON configuration and Flume (I don't think Flume 
>>> actually uses JSON but Avro probably does).  Like you, I would prefer not 
>>> to have two versions of Jackson in out build.
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 15, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would only support the current version: 2.x.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nick Williams 
>>>> <nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>> Guys,
>>>> 
>>>> Background: Since I'm the lead developer on a Jackson Mapper module 
>>>> (https://github.com/FasterXML/jackson-datatype-jsr310), I'm actively 
>>>> involved on their development mailing list.
>>>> 
>>>> Jackson 1.9 is, well, old. Specifically, 1.9.0 is two years old. 1.9 is 
>>>> the last minor version of the 1.x family. There will continue to be bug 
>>>> fixe releases—for now—about every 4-6 months. The last patch release was 
>>>> in January.
>>>> 
>>>> Jackson 2.x is the current version with rapid release periods. 2.0 Is 
>>>> about a year old, 2.1 was released in October and 2.2 was released last 
>>>> month. Only major bugs will be fixed in 1.9.x. Minor bug fixes and all new 
>>>> features will go in 2.x.
>>>> 
>>>> Jackson 1.x and 2.x use different Java packages. This has both advantages 
>>>> and disadvantages. One advantage is that frameworks and libraries, like 
>>>> Spring Framework, can easily support both versions because they can 
>>>> coexist on the same class path during compilation and testing. One 
>>>> disadvantage is that if some library is using 1.x and some other library 
>>>> is using 2.x and you create an application that depends on both libraries, 
>>>> you'll have to pull BOTH versions of Jackson on to your class path. Ugh.
>>>> 
>>>> Log4j 2 is "brand new" (it's not even released yet). Typically, I would 
>>>> argue that new projects should not use old versions of their dependencies. 
>>>> In Log4j 2's case, I tend to lean the same direction. It doesn't seem wise 
>>>> to tie ourselves to Jackson 1.x so late in its life when Jackson 2.x is 
>>>> already mature and Log4j 2 isn't even released yet. As a Java 8, Spring 4, 
>>>> Jackson 2 user, I know I wouldn't love having to also have Jackson 1 on my 
>>>> class path (if I were using JSON configuration).
>>>> 
>>>> I would suggest that we should either support both or we should only 
>>>> support 2.x, but only supporting 1.x feels wrong to me.
>>>> 
>>>> Supporting both wouldn't be a major challenge. The way Spring does it is 
>>>> to have two Jackson* classes and Jackson2* classes with identical APIs. 
>>>> Depending on which version you are already using, you use the appropriate 
>>>> class. In this case, I would approach it like this:
>>>> 
>>>> - Rename JSONConfiguration to Jackson1JSONConfiguration, and (using 
>>>> CheckStyle's import control) ensure that only this class imports Jackson 
>>>> 1.x
>>>> - Create a similar class named Jackson2JSONConfiguration, and ensure that 
>>>> only this class imports Jackson 2.x
>>>> - Alter JSONConfigurationFactory to detect which version is on the class 
>>>> path and return the appropriate JSON configuration, preferring 2.x if both 
>>>> are on the class path
>>>> 
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