Please hold off until the weekend if you can. I won't get a chance to look over 
it until then.

Nick

On Aug 14, 2013, at 3:32 AM, Remko Popma wrote:

> Patch looks nice. Much fewer "raw type" compiler warnings. Seems like a big 
> improvement to me. 
> 
> A small improvement on the patch would be to remove the (now unnecessary) 
> @param <T> javadoc comments. I have that additional change done in my local 
> workspace. 
> 
> I wouldn't mind committing this but I don't want to disrupt anyone's 
> work-in-progress: the patch modifies about 125 files.
> 
> Is everyone ok with me committing this? I'll hold off for a day or two (or 
> less if we're all ok with this).
> 
> Remko
> 
> On Monday, August 12, 2013, Ralph Goers wrote:
> I've briefly glanced at your patch and it looks reasonable to me.  It leaves 
> the Layout to continue to use generics but removes the generics from the 
> Appenders.  That seems like a reasonable thing to do.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Aug 11, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> 
>> Ok, that makes a lot of sense. I have reworked the patch to leave these 
>> alone and put it on a different git branch. I also opened a ticket: 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-343 and attached it as a patch 
>> so that if you do not want to deal with git, you can get it from there. 
>> 
>> I added instructions on how to get the patch from git to the ticket.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Nick Williams 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 10, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I was toying with the log4j 2 API for a new project and I stumbled over the 
>>> fact that it uses a generic for Appender<T> without actually being generic. 
>>> The only generic part is the Layout. So as a result there is this weird 
>>> construct of Appender<SomeSerializableType> which is actually dictated by 
>>> the layout in use.
>> 
>> I'm relatively new to the team, so I don't know much about the reasoning 
>> behind making Appender generic, so I can't speak to that. I'm not personally 
>> opposed to removing these generics, but that is a HUGE change.
>> 
>>> This leads to really interesting constructs such as 
>>> 
>>> public abstract class AbstractDatabaseAppender<T extends 
>>> AbstractDatabaseManager> extends AbstractAppender<LogEvent>
>> 
>> Well this is a very different case. The <LogEvent> here is about Layout, 
>> just as you said. The <T extends AbstractDatabaseManager> is completely 
>> unrelated to Layout and I am _not_ in favor of removing these generics.
>> 
>>> I was wondering whether this is necessary as it makes the API very 
>>> cumbersome to use and read so I removed the generic from Appender and 
>>> subsequently went through the log4j 2 code base and mostly removed stuff 
>>> that was no longer needed once that was gone. The result is at
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j2/pull/1
>> 
>> The Apache GitHub repository is just a mirror of our SVN repository. We 
>> can't accept or use any pull requests there. You need to generate an SVN 
>> patch and attach it to whatever JIRA you create. (As such, you should close 
>> this pull request.)
>> 
>>> I will also file a JIRA for this.
>>> 
>>> I know that the 2.0 release should be coming soon (being at beta8), but I 
>>> feel that making that change in the API before it is set in stone with 2.0 
>>> woulc be really beneficial for anyone who wants to port code to 2.0 / write 
>>> new code.
>> 
>> I'm sure there will be plenty of discussion about this over the next few 
>> days.
>> 
>>> Thanks for considering,
>>>     Henning
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
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