I’m more in favor of this than what you had proposed. To be honest, with what 
you proposed I don’t see much value left in keeping the Level enum.

Yes, I prefer using the enum (obviously, or I wouldn’t have implemented it that 
way), but if the consensus is to change it to a class, so be it.

As for comments on the below, I think it needs a bit of tweaking (I wouldn’t 
use Hashtable) but it may be a better option than adding more levels.  Or we 
could add the extra levels but not add new methods for them to AbstractLogger.

Ralph

On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> wrote:

> It's a neat idea but it's not a Java enum. I think one of Ralph's goal was to 
> allow client code to use enums. I still think we should continue that path. 
> At any rate, this will hopefully lead to a synthesis of ideas and agreement.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neat idea. I'd update it for proper concurrency, though. I could write a mock 
> version of this to show what I mean.
> 
> Matt Sicker
> 
> > On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:42, Nick Williams <nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I finally got a minute to read all of these emails, and...
> >
> > EVERYBODY FREEZE!
> >
> > What if I could get you an extensible enum that required no interface 
> > changes and no binary-incompatible changes at all? Sound too good to be 
> > true? I proposed this months ago (LOG4J2-41) and it got shot down multiple 
> > times, but as of now I've heard THREE people say "extensible enum" in this 
> > thread, so here it is, an extensible enum:
> >
> > public abstract class Level implements Comparable<Level>, Serializable {
> >    public static final Level OFF;
> >    public static final Level FATAL;
> >    public static final Level ERROR;
> >    public static final Level WARN;
> >    public static final Level INFO;
> >    public static final Level DEBUG;
> >    public static final Level TRACE;
> >    public static final Level ALL;
> >
> >
> >    private static final long serialVersionUID = 0L;
> >    private static final Hashtable<String, Level> map;
> >    private static final TreeMap<Integer, Level> values;
> >    private static final Object constructorLock;
> >
> >
> >    static {
> >        // static variables must be constructed in certain order
> >        constructorLock = new Object();
> >        map = new Hashtable<String, Level>();
> >        values = new TreeMap<Integer, Level>();
> >        OFF = new Level("OFF", 0) {};
> >        FATAL = new Level("FATAL", 100) {};
> >        ERROR = new Level("ERROR", 200) {};
> >        WARN = new Level("WARN", 300) {};
> >        INFO = new Level("INFO", 400) {};
> >        DEBUG = new Level("DEBUG", 500) {};
> >        TRACE = new Level("TRACE", 600) {};
> >        ALL = new Level("ALL", Integer.MAX_VALUE) {};
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    private static int ordinals;
> >
> >
> >    private final String name;
> >    private final int intLevel;
> >    private final int ordinal;
> >
> >
> >    protected Level(String name, int intLevel) {
> >        if(name == null || name.length() == 0)
> >            throw new IllegalArgumentException("Illegal null Level 
> > constant");
> >        if(intLevel < 0)
> >            throw new IllegalArgumentException("Illegal Level int less than 
> > zero.");
> >        synchronized (Level.constructorLock) {
> >            if(Level.map.containsKey(name.toUpperCase()))
> >                throw new IllegalArgumentException("Duplicate Level constant 
> > [" + name + "].");
> >            if(Level.values.containsKey(intLevel))
> >                throw new IllegalArgumentException("Duplicate Level int [" + 
> > intLevel + "].");
> >            this.name = name;
> >            this.intLevel = intLevel;
> >            this.ordinal = Level.ordinals++;
> >            Level.map.put(name.toUpperCase(), this);
> >            Level.values.put(intLevel, this);
> >        }
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public int intLevel() {
> >        return this.intLevel;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public boolean isAtLeastAsSpecificAs(final Level level) {
> >        return this.intLevel <= level.intLevel;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public boolean isAtLeastAsSpecificAs(final int level) {
> >        return this.intLevel <= level;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public boolean lessOrEqual(final Level level) {
> >        return this.intLevel <= level.intLevel;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public boolean lessOrEqual(final int level) {
> >        return this.intLevel <= level;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    @Override
> >    @SuppressWarnings("CloneDoesntCallSuperClone")
> >    public Level clone() throws CloneNotSupportedException {
> >        throw new CloneNotSupportedException();
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    @Override
> >    public int compareTo(Level other) {
> >        return intLevel < other.intLevel ? -1 : (intLevel > other.intLevel ? 
> > 1 : 0);
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    @Override
> >    public boolean equals(Object other) {
> >        return other instanceof Level && other == this;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public Class<Level> getDeclaringClass() {
> >        return Level.class;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    @Override
> >    public int hashCode() {
> >        return this.name.hashCode();
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public String name() {
> >        return this.name;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public int ordinal() {
> >        return this.ordinal;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    @Override
> >    public String toString() {
> >        return this.name;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public static Level toLevel(String name) {
> >        return Level.toLevel(name, Level.DEBUG);
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public static Level toLevel(String name, Level defaultLevel) {
> >        if(name == null)
> >            return defaultLevel;
> >        name = name.toUpperCase();
> >        if(Level.map.containsKey(name))
> >            return Level.map.get(name);
> >        return defaultLevel;
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public static Level[] values() {
> >        return Level.values.values().toArray(new Level[Level.values.size()]);
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public static Level valueOf(String name) {
> >        if(name == null)
> >            throw new IllegalArgumentException("Unknown level constant [" + 
> > name + "].");
> >        name = name.toUpperCase();
> >        if(Level.map.containsKey(name))
> >            return Level.map.get(name);
> >        throw new IllegalArgumentException("Unknown level constant [" + name 
> > + "].");
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    public static <T extends Enum<T>> T valueOf(Class<T> enumType, String 
> > name) {
> >        return Enum.valueOf(enumType, name);
> >    }
> >
> >
> >    // for deserialization
> >    protected final Object readResolve() throws ObjectStreamException {
> >        return Level.valueOf(this.name);
> >    }
> > }
> >
> > Extending it is easy:
> >
> > public final class ExtendedLevels {
> >    public static final Level MY_LEVEL = new Level("MY_LEVEL", 250) {};
> > }
> >
> > I still and have ALWAYS believed this was the best option. If we used this 
> > option, I would be fine with not adding any new Levels because I could add 
> > them myself.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Remko Popma wrote:
> >>
> >> This is only a problem for webapps, right?
> >> Putting log4j jars in WEB-INF/lib avoids that problem (different class 
> >> loader).
> >> Apps that really want to share log4j jars with other apps would need to 
> >> play nice. Such apps would do well to use a naming convention like Gary 
> >> suggests.
> >> Otherwise, the last to register would overwrite any previous level with 
> >> the same name. (Should probably emit a StatusLogger warning.)
> >>
> >> Same intLevel for different names should not be a problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, January 23, 2014, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Playing devils advocate:
> >>
> >> What happens when different apps register levels with the same name and 
> >> different intLevels?
> >> What happens when different apps register levels with the same intLevel 
> >> and different names?
> >> Should there be a convention that custom level names be FQNs?
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> 
> >> wrote:
> >> As Gary wanted, a new thread....
> >>
> >> First, each enum needs an inherit strength. This would be part of the 
> >> interface. Forgive me if the word "strength" is wrong; but it's the 100, 
> >> 200, 300, etc. number that triggers the log level. So make sure the 
> >> interface contains the intLevel() method.
> >>
> >> Second, we need to know the name, right? The name probably requires a new 
> >> method since it can't be extracted from the enum anymore.
> >>
> >> public interface Level {
> >> int intLevel();
> >> String name();
> >> }
> >>
> >> PS: The intStrength() name seems hackish. What about strength() or 
> >> treshold()?
> >>
> >> Third, the registration can be done manually by providing a static method 
> >> (as your did Remko) that the client needs to invoke, or you could have a 
> >> class-path scanning mechanism. For the latter, you could introduce a new 
> >> annotation to be placed on the enum class.
> >>
> >> @CustomLevels
> >> public enum MyCustomEnums {
> >> }
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Paul, can you give a bit more detail?
> >>
> >> I tried this: copy the current Level enum to a new enum called "Levels" in 
> >> the same package (other name would be fine too). Then change Level to an 
> >> interface (removing the constants and static methods, keeping only the 
> >> non-static methods). Finally make the Levels enum implement the Level 
> >> interface.
> >>
> >> After this, we need to do a find+replace for the references to 
> >> Level.CONSTANT to Levels.CONSTANT and Level.staticMethod() to 
> >> Levels.staticMethod().
> >>
> >> Finally, the interesting part: how do users add or register their custom 
> >> levels and how do we enable the Levels.staticLookupMethod(String, Level) 
> >> to recognize these custom levels?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, January 23, 2014, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Agreed. This is not an engineering per se, but really more about if the 
> >> feature set makes sense.
> >>
> >> Well if you guys ever look into the interface idea, you'll give log4j the 
> >> feature of getting enums to represent custom levels. That's pretty cool, 
> >> IMO. I don't know if any other logging framework has that and that would 
> >> probably get some positive attention. It shouldn't be so hard to do a 
> >> find+replace on the code that accepts Level and replace it with another 
> >> name. Yes, there will be some minor refactoring that goes with it, but 
> >> hard? It shouldn't be.
> >>
> >> A name I propose for the interface is LevelDefinition.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >> Hi, I do not see this as an engineering problem but more a feature set 
> >> definition issue. So while there may be lots of more or less internally 
> >> complicated ways of solving this with interfaces, makers and whatnots, the 
> >> built in levels are the most user friendly.
> >>
> >> I have have lots of buttons, knobs and settings on my sound system that I 
> >> do not use, just like I do not use all the methods in all the classes in 
> >> the JRE...
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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