Jackson is used to parse JSON configuration files and JMX is currently 
defaulted to be always enabled.

Ralph

> On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:24 AM, Łukasz Dywicki <l...@code-house.org> wrote:
> 
> Ralph,
> For these who wants a "big” log4j you might provide aggregate JAR just like 
> astyanax does. I think it’s much easier going this direction than other way 
> around. Fine grained dependencies are proof of good library design. In slf4j 
> epoch developers do not depend on any log4j code except test scope where 
> mostly used is FileAppender. During deployment time it doesn’t make big 
> difference too because only one place which would be affected is assembly. I 
> can also imagine that some people could still love spring log4j stuff and 
> will not need direct log4j support for it.
> 
> I can understand that disruptor might be mandatory to provide asynchronous 
> behaviour but why JMX and Jackson could not be separated?
> 
> Best regards,
> Łukasz Dywicki
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>> Wiadomość napisana przez Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> w dniu 12 
>> kwi 2014, o godz. 06:26:
>> 
>> There is a balance that needs to be struck here.  We don’t want to add 
>> support for OSGi at the cost of forcing non-OSGi users to have to include a 
>> bunch of Log4j dependencies.  That said, I suggest the other day that we 
>> might want to split some things that a majority of our users will rarely use 
>> into other modules, possible in a companion project to the Log4j kernel.
>> 
>> We actually have a few dependencies, such as Jackson, the disruptor, and JMX 
>> that are optional but really can’t be separated from the core.
>> 
>> That said, an analysis of what could be separated is warranted.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Łukasz Dywicki <l...@code-house.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> Apachecon has been ended so I am following the promise I did - I’ve taken a 
>>> look on the log4j build to check what’s going on with OSGi stuff. Currently 
>>> OSGi bundles are split from main log4j-core which I think leads to 
>>> maintanance trouble also number of dependencies of log4j-core seems to be 
>>> very high. If we could split the log4j-core into smaller modules (mongodb, 
>>> jms, jmx, web) then there will be no need to keep log4j-osgi and it’s 
>>> submodules.
>>> According to maven guides [1] "Optional dependencies are used when it's not 
>>> really possible (for whatever reason) to split a project up into 
>>> sub-modules”, I think it will also make library design much more clear and 
>>> will avoid making unecessary inner code deps. Seems that big, aggregate 
>>> modules, are always grow to size which require major work to split them to 
>>> make both: maintanance and community involvement possible. 
>>> 
>>> [1] 
>>> https://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-optional-and-excludes-dependencies.html
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Łukasz Dywicki
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