You could implement a lookup but both the syntax of how it would be specified 
and how it would work would be odd.  Or you could implement a PatternConverter 
while would allow you do invoke PatternParser.parse, but that would also be 
awkward as they typically think they are working with a LogEvent.  

Note that what you have below - %pattern - doesn’t match with how Lookups work.

Ralph

On May 20, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was thinking of experimenting with this in PatternLayout:
> 
>     @Override
>     public byte[] getHeader() {
>         byte [] header = super.getHeader();
>         if (header != null) {
>             return config.getStrSubstitutor().replace(new String(header, 
> getCharset())).getBytes(getCharset());
>         }
>         return header;
>     }
> 
> Why not support this with a marker like %pattern (of whatever). But how can 
> we tell the config's StrSubstitor about this layout's pattern string?
> 
> In the ctor we could do:
> 
> this.config = config;
> this.config.getStrSubstitutor().getStrLookup().put("pattern", pattern);
> 
> But StrLookup does not support put(String, String) of course...
> 
> What would be a supported way to do this or do we need to tweak things a bit?
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For best usability I am wondering if this should be an option, but if it is 
> it should be on by default. Thoughts?
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> 
> wrote:
> It sounds like you want that in the header of the file?  That sounds like an 
> extension of what PatternLayout currently does. You would just want to set 
> the header to include the pattern.  Of course, this doesn’t apply to 
> Appenders that use some other layout.
> 
> Yes in the header. whatever a header means for a text file appender for 
> example, maybe it is a "comment" like a comment in a property file: # my 
> format.
> 
> This only needs to apply to "unstructured" layouts, which are all text based 
> layouts, like the File and Console, I think these all share a streaming super 
> class/manager. For a database appender and other structured layouts (XML, 
> JSON, and so on), this does not make sense.
> 
> Gary
> 
> Gary
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On May 19, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I get logs from users that are files, which is nice.
>> 
>> I'd like the log to have a line that shows the conversion pattern used to 
>> create the log events.
>> 
>> This would let me create a nice color filter in our tools.
>> 
>> Yes, I know users could use some kind of structured appender in addition to 
>> a log file, but they won't for my convenience...
>> 
>> So I wonder if we could have setting for this? Our tools create the config, 
>> so we could turn it on no matter what conversion pattern they use.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
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