That has the correct information on it.  I was thinking it would be on a menu 
item on the top left rather than under the core component.  In fact, it might 
be nice to have a table of dependencies for each component on one page.

Ralph

On Sep 15, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Remko Popma <[email protected]> wrote:

> This page is the closest:
> http://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/log4j-core/index.html
> 
> Ralph, are you looking for something different? What would a chart look like 
> in this case, and where on the site would be the best place for it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2014/09/16, at 7:27, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I don’t think you really can.  I suspect AsyncLoggers would be a problem. 
>> The JSON stuff probably could. 
>> 
>> I don’t think it is really a problem as long as it is well documented.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Could we split up core into a core core and the other core plugins that 
>>> require third party dependencies? I don't know how confusing that would be 
>>> for the end user. I mean, Log4j 1 required just the single jar, but it did 
>>> provide rather minimal features.
>>> 
>>> On 15 September 2014 13:33, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Yes, Async Loggers are optional because the pom lists the disruptor as an 
>>> optional dependency. In core, all dependencies are optional.  We really 
>>> need a chart for core that lists what the optional features are and what 
>>> the dependencies that are needed for them are.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully Log4j will be used in lots of use cases.  Log4j 1 was used (and 
>>> probably still is) in embedded applications. I don’t want to preclude Log4j 
>>> 2 being used in similar circumstances.  
>>> 
>>> When writing the code for the XML configuration I considered the choices 
>>> but specifically did not want to bring in a third party jar for that.  
>>> 
>>> The “core of core” that has no dependencies is pretty much what a large 
>>> number of will use and many would not be happy if we required other things.
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I guess that is what I am suggesting, core depends on a bunch of jars as 
>>>> it is but I do see what you mean, there is the core of core... It's 
>>>> confusing as heck to have all of our "optional" features that depend on 
>>>> 3rd party jars undocumented from the code's POV, since we do not have an 
>>>> optional source folder or package. Maybe it would be obvious if the "core" 
>>>> was really just the "core"... So are async loggers "optional" because of 
>>>> the LMAX Disruptor? Right now, we have a rule that the core of core cannot 
>>>> depend on anything (like the API does). But then I async loggers...
>>>> 
>>>> From my POV, any app I write that needs to do logging instead of 
>>>> System.out is "serious" enough that will do work requiring a pile of other 
>>>> jars. 
>>>> 
>>>> One of the thing I do not like about v2 is all of our custom code for 
>>>> configuration of XML and JSON. It would have been so much simpler with 
>>>> Jackson, annotate the class once, then get XML and JSON IO, (not sure 
>>>> about YAML) but hey, that's just me ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Enough rambling.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> You aren’t talking about bringing another jar as a required dependency are 
>>>> you?  Required dependencies for core should be 0.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This is all in the core, so I do not see the need to repackage anything. 
>>>>> We certainly do not do it for anything else. Why would you want to do it 
>>>>> here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Well, it's certainly worth trying. However, if we went that route, would 
>>>>> we have a hard dependency on the javax.validation API? Or would we 
>>>>> package-rename things and embed it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 September 2014 11:24, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> It all depends on your POV ;-) , one of which is, what we are doing now 
>>>>> is overkill compared to what we started with...
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, why not Bean Validation, more precisely? It seems we owe it to the 
>>>>> project to try it (in a branch perhaps) and _know_ that it is possible or 
>>>>> not a right fit. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Conceptually, it's hard to see how it would not be a right fit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> I was looking at bean validation, and not only is it overkill for our 
>>>>> situation, but I don't know how well it would work either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 September 2014 05:50, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> I don't about this... I feel we need to discuss this before we reinvent 
>>>>> the bean validation JSR wheel and Hibernate Validator or some other 
>>>>> implementation. Why are we forcing users to learn another framework 
>>>>> instead of using a standard? This is almost -1 territory... I feel we 
>>>>> need to clean up the builder pattern mess before we make another decision 
>>>>> on plugins...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>> Date:09/14/2014 23:34 (GMT-05:00)
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: [2/8] git commit: Add validation message to @RequiresNonNull.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Add validation message to @RequiresNonNull.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Project: http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/logging-log4j2/repo
>>>>> Commit: 
>>>>> http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/logging-log4j2/commit/20e739a5
>>>>> Tree: http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/logging-log4j2/tree/20e739a5
>>>>> Diff: http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/logging-log4j2/diff/20e739a5
>>>>> 
>>>>> Branch: refs/heads/master
>>>>> Commit: 20e739a5308023e4f5b03a49ea12f473193dcbea
>>>>> Parents: 84e7fed
>>>>> Author: Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>>>>> Authored: Sun Sep 14 20:26:48 2014 -0500
>>>>> Committer: Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>>>>> Committed: Sun Sep 14 20:26:48 2014 -0500
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> .../validation/constraints/RequiresNonNull.java       |  5 +++++
>>>>> .../validators/RequiresNonNullValidator.java          | 14 +++++++++++++-
>>>>> 2 files changed, 18 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/logging-log4j2/blob/20e739a5/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/constraints/RequiresNonNull.java
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> diff --git 
>>>>> a/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/constraints/RequiresNonNull.java
>>>>>  
>>>>> b/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/constraints/RequiresNonNull.java
>>>>> index b3ef11d..7eb83e2 100644
>>>>> --- 
>>>>> a/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/constraints/RequiresNonNull.java
>>>>> +++ 
>>>>> b/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/constraints/RequiresNonNull.java
>>>>> @@ -36,4 +36,9 @@ import 
>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.plugins.validation.validators.Requir
>>>>> @Target({ElementType.FIELD, ElementType.PARAMETER})
>>>>> @Constraint(RequiresNonNullValidator.class)
>>>>> public @interface RequiresNonNull {
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    /**
>>>>> +     * The message to be logged if this constraint is violated. This 
>>>>> should normally be overridden.
>>>>> +     */
>>>>> +    String message() default "The parameter is null";
>>>>> }
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/logging-log4j2/blob/20e739a5/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/validators/RequiresNonNullValidator.java
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> diff --git 
>>>>> a/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/validators/RequiresNonNullValidator.java
>>>>>  
>>>>> b/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/validators/RequiresNonNullValidator.java
>>>>> index 49c5806..9a39d4d 100644
>>>>> --- 
>>>>> a/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/validators/RequiresNonNullValidator.java
>>>>> +++ 
>>>>> b/log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/config/plugins/validation/validators/RequiresNonNullValidator.java
>>>>> @@ -16,8 +16,10 @@
>>>>>   */
>>>>> package 
>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.plugins.validation.validators;
>>>>> 
>>>>> +import org.apache.logging.log4j.Logger;
>>>>> import 
>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.plugins.validation.ConstraintValidator;
>>>>> import 
>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.plugins.validation.constraints.RequiresNonNull;
>>>>> +import org.apache.logging.log4j.status.StatusLogger;
>>>>> 
>>>>> /**
>>>>>   * Validator implementation for {@link RequiresNonNull}.
>>>>> @@ -25,12 +27,22 @@ import 
>>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.plugins.validation.constraints.Requi
>>>>>   * @since 2.1
>>>>>   */
>>>>> public class RequiresNonNullValidator implements 
>>>>> ConstraintValidator<RequiresNonNull, Object> {
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    private static final Logger LOGGER = StatusLogger.getLogger();
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    private RequiresNonNull annotation;
>>>>> +
>>>>>      @Override
>>>>>      public void initialize(final RequiresNonNull annotation) {
>>>>> +        this.annotation = annotation;
>>>>>      }
>>>>> 
>>>>>      @Override
>>>>>      public boolean isValid(final Object value) {
>>>>> -        return value != null;
>>>>> +        if (value != null) {
>>>>> +            return true;
>>>>> +        }
>>>>> +        LOGGER.error(annotation.message());
>>>>> +        return false;
>>>>>      }
>>>>> }
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> E-Mail: [email protected] | [email protected] 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> E-Mail: [email protected] | [email protected] 
>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>>>>> Spring Batch in Action
>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com 
>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/
>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> E-Mail: [email protected] | [email protected] 
>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
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>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>> 

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