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Bart S. updated LOG4J2-952:
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(was: You have an issue with actually thinking about something. Or really
thinking it through. I guess that is pretty common in open source and it is the
reason why most open source is so bad.
You want me to adjust to your style of thinking, terse and to the point and
quick and start coding right away and if there are no more complaints, commit
it and go on with it.
If I hadn't written down these thoughts, I could not have thought them, and if
I did not think them, I would not be now at the point that I want to write an
example or alternative test solution or case myself. You seem to think that
life proceeds when you constantly try to hinder it, but that doesn't work for
me. I experience constantly, much less here, that my contributions are not
welcome because they are too verbose for the people that want to get on with
doing what they have been doing for centuries, often without any reflection on
their part or understanding of what they're really doing.
There is a great hate in open source against actual thinking. People do not
like to think. They only like to act. To perform. To put in effort with their
hands. But the effort with their minds is discontinued, cut short. Most open
source architecture is of really poor design. Most teams spend very little time
thinking. They want short directions. Tell me what to do?. Please, don't make
me have to think about it. Just tell me what to do, and I will do it!. Gary is
one of those people that likes to be told what to do, but at the same time he
enjoys thought as well. I really like Gary around here and he's funny, has a
good humour, is always positive and sees the bright side of things. But you are
constantly telling me that you don't have time.
Or you just don't want another influence on the team, but that might also just
be the reason..... Now you're even threatening me with exercising your superior
powers. To get it the way you want. We call that "power corrupts". You abuse
your position to cut short a contribution that might threaten your position.
You did it to that Behrooz guy as well. There's really little wonder that we
haven't heard from him again. You create your own solution with your superior
knowledge (accept it, you are much better versed in your software than everyone
else) and you can create a solution to this problem that is acceptable to many
at the surface and you can ensure that it gets through and the others don't,
more or less. What's the point for him to continue his work if you do not
engage in debate but simply push your own solution as a competitor?. You tell
him his solution might be preferable but you're now already talking of
committing the thing you have written. I take it to mean you are committing to
master, or whatever. There was not a chance for that poor guy to get his work
done. I don't mind it so much, I can still work with you, but you didn't throw
my work to the bathwater, so to speak.
Of course he is suspect and not very eager to continue the work if the chance
is very high that you will simply commit yours and there won't be a real
interest from your side of the story for anything else. You have just presented
your solution and that's that.
But you're also the one with commit rights and the one who can get it done in
no time. So little chance for anyone else, while it was really other people's
ideas that started this and you've just taken it from there.
I don't really know why you're doing it like this, but I guess that is not my
problem or my thing to know about.
I just know that you're not helping here and your comments about short thinking
are not sincere. It's more about your position (or anyone else's) than anything
else. It's pretty blatantly obvious that what I've written cannot be summarized
in 10 lines unless I throw almost everything out, and the chances of then any
of it making it through to anything worthwhile, diminish greatly, and that is
of course what you want from me. ?.
You will also not know the rationale, and why such a thing should be done.
You've consumed my rationale in the past and done your thing with it, while at
the same time trying to discount it all the same. It is pretty clear that
without my input and those of others perhaps, this topic would not have started
and you would not even have gotten the idea to implement this thing.
I've been a huge contribution or at least a driver to the interest in getting
this done in the first place and so has Behrooz of course, in that slight way
of introducing a competitor or alternative. And even though that's true, you
seek to curtail my efforts to get something better done than this. You want to
talk about the details; the larger plan is already set for you. You don't even
know if anyone is waiting for this. It doesn't really coincide with the
interests of those who started this. You think your solution should qualify for
them, but.....
But your solution does (I believe) change ConfigurationFactory and that means
it gets deeply embedded in the system, there is also not any room for an
alternative that I vied for. You just don't think and just do what you want.
Maybe that's your right, but it's also my right to want to change your mind
about it ;-).
But it's pretty damn clear that you're only saying these things because you
don't want any form of competition. It's not that it's too long, it's more that
it doesn't suit you. If you can curtail my messages to be 10 lines long, I'd be
no more any threat. I'd just be a bystander with no influence and you can just
go along your way. Happy cruisin.
My contribution is just not welcome, well, then say so, instead of being so
insincere about it. You don't have a problem with the length, you have a
problem with the content. And the content is not welcome. People usually give
insincere reasons for not wanting something, when they just want to be rid of
it. They will tell you you're not polite enough. But they really don't want to
hear your truth. The truth can be inconvenient, as mr. Gore put it. It's pretty
clear that I can not say the same stuff in 10 lines, so my message becomes
completely ineffective and doesn't relay the same ideas. And that's just a way
to eliminate someone. And you know that full well. And I cannot work in this
environment if my contributions are not welcomed, certainly not for the reasons
you give me, because if I supply patches they are also not considered and
accepted. So the thought that you wanted me to do work, or actually contribute
code, is also not sincere. That's not it. You just want me out of the way
really, at least partly, modestly. How can that not be true?.
There is a Jira here
[LOG42-1093|https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-1093] that I
contributed 15 days ago with a patch open for feedback. No one even gave
feedback except for Gary, slightly, by the side. As to why we're uncertain as
to how to proceed. And I can understand that. But still getting no replies is
not sincere.
So you were exposed there, so to speak. (In Dutch we say "fall through the
basket"). It's not about contributing code and it's not about being concise,
it's just about you not really welcoming my work. Well, that can be true. Then
say so, if it is. Then we can work with that or I can leave in whatever way you
deem suitable.
I don't want to supersede you or sidestep you, this is your project and I only
want to help if it's welcome. What use is there doing anything if it's going to
be rejected anyway?.
So I mean, take your call, make your bet. Tell me what you want. But don't give
me that crap about changing my style of thinking or my style of writing. I will
not do that for anyone and I cannot do it in any case without severely
sacrificing my joy and pleasure in doing it in the first place. And you don't
want that either, because an unhappy person won't be around for long anyway. So
then what you got? Is that what you want?..... You can only make people leave
this way, but apparently that was your indication in the first place?????.
Well, then be more upright about it. We will all benefit in that way.
Regards, and signing out again. Bart.
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> FAQ: How do I configure log4j2 programmatically in code without a
> configuration file?
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Key: LOG4J2-952
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-952
> Project: Log4j 2
> Issue Type: Bug
> Components: API, Configurators, Documentation
> Affects Versions: 2.1
> Reporter: Joe Merten
> Attachments: LOG4J2-952-2.patch, LOG4J2-952-3.patch,
> LOG4J2-952-4.patch, LOG4J2-952.patch
>
>
> I found [this
> link|http://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/faq.html#config_from_code] which
> said:
> {quote}
> You could use the static method #initialize(String contextName, ClassLoader
> loader, String configLocation) in
> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.Configurator. (You can pass null for the
> class loader.) Be aware that this class is not part of the public API so your
> code may break with any minor release.
> {quote}
> This documentation is unclear because it points to a member function which
> needs a filename {{configLocation}} where as the topic is »without a
> configuration file«.
> It shoud rather point to the member function
> {{org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.Configurator.initialize(ClassLoader
> loader, ConfigurationSource source)}}.
> Example:
> {code:java}
> import org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.ConfigurationSource;
> import org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.Configurator;
> final String hardCodedXmlConfig =
> "<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>\n" +
> "<Configuration status='INFO'>\n" +
> " <Appenders>\n" +
> " <Console name='Console' target='SYSTEM_OUT'>\n" +
> " <PatternLayout pattern='%d{HH:mm:ss.SSS} [%t] %-5level
> %logger{36} - %msg%n'/>\n" +
> " </Console>\n" +
> " </Appenders>\n" +
> " <Loggers>\n" +
> " <Root level='debug'>\n" +
> " <AppenderRef ref='Console'/>\n" +
> " </Root>\n" +
> " </Loggers>\n" +
> "</Configuration>\n";
> try {
> Configurator.initialize(null, new ConfigurationSource(new
> ByteArrayInputStream(hardCodedXmlConfig.getBytes())));
> } catch (IOException e) {
> e.printStackTrace();
> }
> {code}
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