If we can't force the owner of the nuget log4net package to work with us, why 
not package it as log4net official or apache-log4net.  I don't get why 
packaging is off topic for the release of a .NET library.  If we are seeking to 
increase the user base, I would think an official package in the package 
manager of choice would be a key component of that.

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Dominik Psenner <a...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi again,
> 
> I wanted this discussion to stay open for a week and that time is over now. 
> For now I'll try to answer questions and clarify a few things so that you get 
> another chance to raise your voice.
> 
> > Will the code be compatible with the current version?
> 
> The API should stay more or less the same, but eventually a few things will 
> be dropped. Among them will be properties like IsDebugEnabled, which could be 
> handled very well internally with late evaluation of log messages.
> 
> > Just be bold and embrace .NET 4.5
> 
> I'm not at all against it, but there's almost no profit to target 4.5 over 
> 4.0, but with 4.0 we have a much larger audience. Personally I do simply want 
> the #ifdefs to be gone for good. That said, I've the impression that 
> everything that doesn't fit into log4net core only with #ifdefs should be 
> dropped.
> 
> > Forget supporting the current appenders.
> > I would approve of dropping high complexity, low reward appenders like 
> > outdated .NET remoting.
> 
> We will add filters and appenders that are easy to implement (or already 
> there) for the targeted framework. To be honest, only what causes more 
> trouble that it is worth will be dropped. :-)
> 
> > What we do need with the appender interface is install/uninstall hooks.
> 
> Nice idea. This will have to be worked out as early as possible such that the 
> new API can be designed to fit the needs.
> 
> > We also need to take ownership of nuget packaging log4net.
> 
> This discussion is off topic and has already been dealt with. We simply 
> cannot force the owner of the nuget package to work with us and that's it.
> 
> > Personally I'd like to emphasize
> >> [1] To make this come true there will be the need for a few helping hands
> 
> Thanks Justin, I'm glad that you're willing to lend a hand!
> 
> Everyone else, please note that the more hands we can get, the faster and 
> easier it is going to be. Thus, volunteers, jump out of your bushes!
> 
> That's it from me, for now;
> 
> 
> 2015-08-22 19:09 GMT+02:00 Stefan Bodewig <bode...@apache.org>:
>> On 2015-08-19, <dpsen...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > Last night I've dreamed a dream and in that dream the release process of
>> > log4net happened on a flick of a switch.
>> 
>> A wonderful dream.
>> 
>> Personally I'd like to emphasize
>> 
>> > [1] To make this come true there will be the need for a few helping hands
>> > and therefore this message goes to people that use log4net and want log4net
>> > to be revived.
>> 
>> even stronger.
>> 
>> Stefan
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dominik Psenner

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