I think Outlook made me feel shy. Again. Well, let's go and see what happens. At least, I will know exactly what happened here.
I apologize myself to the readers by the annoyance. Luiz -----Original Message----- From: Luiz Ramos Sent: segunda-feira, 4 de dezembro de 2006 09:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; General discussion relating to LPI. Subject: RE: [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] Linux Professional InstitutechangesRecertification Policy Bryan: First of all, I have high respect about your opinions. I read a lot of your postings to this list before, and I know you have strong positions about Linux and FOSS. I am replying privately, as I don't know if this discussion can annoy some readers of the list. >Bryan J. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Luiz Carlos Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The bottom line is that in my opinion, unfortunately, LPI is getting >> closer to the proprietary solutions to the certification and education >> industry. > >Huh? The exam development is _open_ to _all_ that wish to donate their time and efforts. The exam development is _not_ driven by vendors. And there is >still *0* money acquired from training or materials by LPI. > >_Please_ show me another organization that does this. CompTIA is about the only one in the IT industry, and they are _very_far_ from LPI in both depth >and openness. Sorry, but I have to label this "rhetoric" with absolutely no foundation. > >Please educate me on what you see as "proprietary" or otherwise "closer" to other organizations in the industry. Maybe I've been misunderstood. In my point of view, that is, the facts plus my interpretation, there is a process which is driving LPI from a "pure" community project to a "pure" proprietary project (I know "pure" here is a fiction, a weberian ideal type). By "proprietary" I don't mean any vendor in special, but a way of conducting the project. By "getting closer to X" I mean that something is going towards B, and eventually will reach B in a future (one can read that something is very near "X", but that's not what I'd like to express). My interpretation was based on the fact that the decision to change the recertification policy didn't involve some key stakeholders. One of them is ourselves, and this is a sign of not giving the appropriate value to the community's point of view. In a process of change from A to B, one can see signs of both A and B, in different proportions. That was a sign of B, in my interpretation. One can argue that there are signs of A, just like the exam development process, as you mention. The interpretation is what makes the difference. Also, these processes may take erratic paths, including being reversed. Maybe I am confused about community, democracy and governance, but this point is OT. There was a second sign, which I prefer to not post to a list, and which you in North America (I presume) has not seen, probably, which was a change in the LPI affiliate in the Latin America, and specifically in Brazil. I don't know the details, but the hands of who was conducting the process were changed from a bunch of guys from a newborn training center focused solely on Linux/FOSS to a organization with a fine name, but which I don't know exactly who they are. I could see the first steps of LPI here in Brazil (they published at the web a "log" of the adventures in offering the first exams here in Brazil; I think it is in Portuguese) and I could see what they did. I took the second LPI exams stewarded by them, on a Saturday. It was in paper, and the prices were put much lower than other countries, because they argued that the price could be an obstacle for certifying the people in a country that is not so rich as US or Europe. I saw the people who were taken the exams: they were mostly newly graduates, or even before graduation, and there was a fight for conquering their minds to FOSS. The first LPI staff has done a nice work here, and the Brazilian numbers at LPI got very good for a country like this (figures from Argentina or Chile, for instance, were very poor if compared to Brazilian's numbers at that time). I could say they were heroes. Now I don't know exactly who are the people responsible for LPI here, but the the guys' CVs are like those of higher level executives from PR or marketing. I couldn't see this as a sign being more communitary. As of above, this is my interpretation, and additionally, I don't know the details. Maybe the first LPI got exhausted in offering exams at all the bigger cities of Brazil (it is a large country), and gave up. That is, there is a risk that I am completely wrong. That is the reason I prefer to not publicize this opinion. I think you are arguing LPI is a communitary project and will continue to be. I understand your interpretation, and I hope you are right, although I don't believe it anymore, unfortunately. >> A proof is the scarse postings to this list, if compared to two or >> three years before. > >Huh? This list has its periods of activity as well as inactivity, and that has continued through this year as well. I haven't seen any change, just >times of lower as well as increased volume. > >In fact, many of the bouts of former activity is when I made the fatal errors of posting my thoughts on what consists of enterprise Linux. Then the >hordes of people would post how I was off-my-rocker and "nobody uses that." ;-> > >Oh well, I've been doing so much embedded Linux as of late, I'm sure I've slipped in my enterprise Linux knowledge over the last 15 months or so. I may agree with you. I haven't tracked all the last threads, but I saw your name in a lot of them. Maybe these peaks on the list were related to some hot threads which were full of postings from you and from some others who frequently expressed opinions in the list. Nobody better than you to remember these discussions. Anyway, there was no discussions about recertification recently. Again, you deserve my respect, even I may not agree with you in all issues. Luiz -----Original Message----- From: Bryan J. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: sexta-feira, 1 de dezembro de 2006 20:20 To: General discussion relating to LPI. Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] Linux Professional Institute changesRecertification Policy I debated whether to respond or not one last time. Oh well, I lied ... Luiz Carlos Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bottom line is that in my opinion, unfortunately, LPI is getting > closer to the proprietary solutions to the certification and education > industry. Huh? The exam development is _open_ to _all_ that wish to donate their time and efforts. The exam development is _not_ driven by vendors. And there is still *0* money acquired from training or materials by LPI. _Please_ show me another organization that does this. CompTIA is about the only one in the IT industry, and they are _very_far_ from LPI in both depth and openness. Sorry, but I have to label this "rhetoric" with absolutely no foundation. Please educate me on what you see as "proprietary" or otherwise "closer" to other organizations in the industry. > A proof is the scarse postings to this list, if compared to two or > three years before. Huh? This list has its periods of activity as well as inactivity, and that has continued through this year as well. I haven't seen any change, just times of lower as well as increased volume. In fact, many of the bouts of former activity is when I made the fatal errors of posting my thoughts on what consists of enterprise Linux. Then the hordes of people would post how I was off-my-rocker and "nobody uses that." ;-> Oh well, I've been doing so much embedded Linux as of late, I'm sure I've slipped in my enterprise Linux knowledge over the last 15 months or so. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, Technical Annoyance [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://thebs413.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution _______________________________________________ lpi-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-discuss _______________________________________________ lpi-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-discuss _______________________________________________ lpi-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-discuss
