Alan, sorry for the misunderstanding. at;
EDer *Eder Paulo Pereira* 2015-04-14 13:00 GMT-03:00 <lpi-discuss-requ...@lpi.org>: > Send lpi-discuss mailing list submissions to > lpi-discuss@lpi.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lpi-discuss-requ...@lpi.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lpi-discuss-ow...@lpi.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of lpi-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: lpi-discuss Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 (Alan McKinnon) > 2. Re: is it time to remove "vi" from the exam? (Anselm Lingnau) > 3. Re: lpi-discuss Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 (Anselm Lingnau) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:14:04 +0200 > From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] lpi-discuss Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 > To: lpi-discuss@lpi.org > Message-ID: <552c157c.1040...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 13/04/2015 20:04, ?der Pereira wrote: > > I consider the 'vi' as a great text editor to terminals. What do you > > suggest to use Anselm? I manage multiple servers, and it has been my > > faithful companion, fast, easy, simple, once you learn, you'll never > > forget it, anyway, I like it, but if you have a better suggestion, I'm > > curious to know. > > I think your question reflects a general confusion going on through this > thread. > > The topic is not whether vi is useful or not, or whether is it > maintained as vim or not, whether it is the best possible editor for you > or not. vi is simply a tool, a means to an end. And that end is a > changed file (usually a text file). > > The question at hand is whether vi warrants inclusion in the LPIC-1 exam > or not, and that is something entirely different because then it has to > satisfy a very different set of criteria than "I find it a very useful > tool". > > But to answer your question, the correct answer is whatever suits your > needs. For console editors you have pico, joe, nano and all their > derivatives. For GUI editors you have gedit, kwrite, kate. > > Plus a very long long list of other more niche editors. Take your pick. > > For the record, I'm a major vi fan. I also refuse to teach it - I will > go as far as having students run vimtutor and no further. > > [snip] > > > > > -- > Alan McKinnon > alan.mckin...@gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:53:07 +0200 > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de> > Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] is it time to remove "vi" from the exam? > To: "General discussion relating to LPI." <lpi-discuss@lpi.org> > Message-ID: <871tjnaj6n....@ceol.strathspey.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Andrzej Szczygielski <andrze...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > People aspiring to be IT professional should be ready to be > inconvenienced > > by complexity of technology he/she is going to deal with > > People aspiring to be IT professionals should be encouraged to *avoid* > complexity wherever possible. There is a very widespread misconception > that ?complex = good? which is at the root of many issues that plague us > today. If there's any choice at all we should go for the simple > approaches. Simple is easier to use, easier to write, easier to > configure, easier to debug, easier to understand, easier to > document. Simple is safer. > > IOW, many problems in IT have complex solutions because simple solutions > for them appear not to be feasible. Text editing does not belong to that > class of problem. It should not be made arbitrarily complex just to > please some people who have already spent altogether too much time on > the needlessly-complex approach and believe that now everyone else > should have to, too. > > Anselm > -- > Anselm Lingnau ... Linup Front GmbH ... Linux-, Open-Source- & > Netz-Schulungen > anselm.ling...@linupfront.de, +49(0)6151-9067-103, Fax -299, > www.linupfront.de > Linup Front GmbH, Postfach 100121, 64201 Darmstadt, Germany > Sitz: Weiterstadt (AG Darmstadt, HRB7705), Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Oliver Michel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:06:38 +0200 > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.ling...@linupfront.de> > Subject: Re: [lpi-discuss] lpi-discuss Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 > To: "General discussion relating to LPI." <lpi-discuss@lpi.org> > Message-ID: <87zj6b945j....@ceol.strathspey.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > ?der Pereira <uni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I consider the 'vi' as a great text editor to terminals. What do you > > suggest to use Anselm? I manage multiple servers, and it has been my > > faithful companion, fast, easy, simple, once you learn, you'll never > forget > > it, anyway, I like it, but if you have a better suggestion, I'm curious > to > > know. > > By all means do use vi (especially if you know it already). Other folks > might like other editors ? pico, nano, MicroEmacs, ?, whatever. The list > is virtually endless, and as Alan points out, various non-vi editors are > either part of the default install of many Linux distributions or else > available for easy and convenient installation after the fact. We do > teach people how to install additional software packages, and that > knowledge can be put to profitable use right away. > > People (other than Alan) don't seem to understand that there is a big > difference between using vi and putting vi on the LPIC-1 exam. Nobody > wants to take vi away from anyone who wants to use it. However, those > people who argue that vi must be on the LPIC-1 exam essentially argue > that *every* LPIC-1 candidate should be *forced* to learn vi, whether > they need or want it or not. That is what I'm opposing, not any > individual's personal use of vi. > > Anselm > -- > Anselm Lingnau ... Linup Front GmbH ... Linux-, Open-Source- & > Netz-Schulungen > anselm.ling...@linupfront.de, +49(0)6151-9067-103, Fax -299, > www.linupfront.de > Linup Front GmbH, Postfach 100121, 64201 Darmstadt, Germany > Sitz: Weiterstadt (AG Darmstadt, HRB7705), Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Oliver Michel > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lpi-discuss mailing list > lpi-discuss@lpi.org > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-discuss > > End of lpi-discuss Digest, Vol 94, Issue 14 > ******************************************* >
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