Hi all: In Argentina LPI is very new, Red hat is more popular in the most cases.. And when you are looking jobs Red Hat certification are more important than LPI, but I think LPI need to grow up in this region.
Regards On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:00 PM, <lpi-examdev-requ...@lpi.org> wrote: > Send lpi-examdev mailing list submissions to > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lpi-examdev-requ...@lpi.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lpi-examdev-ow...@lpi.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of lpi-examdev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: alternative to Red Hat Certified Architect (Bryan J Smith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:18:16 -0400 > From: Bryan J Smith <b.j.sm...@ieee.org> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] alternative to Red Hat Certified Architect > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Message-ID: > < > cad5acglpnsmhnpfzz9djyxz4y3uyfsyxy8+05z2nqntscee...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > NOTE: My apologies in advance if Message-ID and threading is not > preserved. I am responding to the digests. > > From: "Lennart Sorensen" <lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> > > Of course in english 'to architect' has a meaning and it is very much > > not reserved just for people designing buildings and other structures. > > In Ontario, the Engineers complain plenty about using the word Engineer. > > Remember why the US state Regulatory Boards and National Society of > Professional Engineers (NSPE) have entered litigation in the past. > It's not because they are trying to be a "good 'ole boys club," but > because they receive complaints from citizens. > > A privately certified individual may be civilly negligent. > A publicly licensed individual can be found criminally negligent, just > like a doctor or lawyer. > > That's why you need 10+ years of combined education and/or experience > in the case of the latter. It's about the public trust. > > Microsoft and Novell might have done well enough to say, "Don't tell > me how to build my network and I won't tell you how to build your > bridge" in the northeast US states. But in Texas, which is a big > semiconductor and software state, the EE/ECEs barked right back, > "Okay, tell me how you designed this network equipment, from its ASIC > to PCB traces to connectors, etc... so you comply with all of these > EIA, FCC and other regulatory bodies?" > > Engineer != Engineering Technology != Technician > > Frankly, "traditional" engineers are not practical technologists, so I > don't know why Engineering Technologists want to call themselves > "Engineers." At the same time, I see some value in the state Board of > Professional Engineers (BoPEs) opening up the software/technology of > ET to vendor, as well as vendor agnostic, programs. > > After all, other than Texas here in the states, no state recognizes a > "Software Engineer" as a valid, licensed discipline, despite the IEEE > and others arguing the public need for them. Reminds me of the same, > previous attitude towards Environmental Engineering in the '70s, and > look what their licensure has done. "Fine, fire me, I will not allow > a network to be installed like that because I could be criminally > negligent and put in jail -- so I could care less how you threatened > my job." That's the power of licensure, enforcement of statues for > the public good. ;) > > From:?Anselm Lingnau <anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de> > > I don't know how Microsoft or Red Hat deal with this, but in Germany > (one of > > LPI's main markets) you can't generally call yourself an ?architect? > unless > > you hold a professional qualification that involves ? among other > > prerequisites ? several years' worth of studying, at college/university > level, > > the theory and practice of putting up physical buildings. > > Both programs clarify what the term means, and how it has nothing to > do with public licensure. In general, I don't like the usage, but > that's just me professionally. > > DISCLAIMER: I hold an ABET Accredited (USA) Engineering degree and am > a Certified Engineering Intern in Florida (USA). I have not bothered > with Professional Engineering (PE) licensure, at least not yet. > > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de> > > Some colleagues of mine found out about this the hard way when they were > > trying to establish a company called ?Architects of VoIP? (in English, > > notably). Apparently there are professional bodies of genuine, > building-type, > > architects who will come down on you like a ton of bricks (and maybe a > steel > > girder or two thrown in for good measure) if you use the ?A? word where > you > > shouldn't. > > As many people in the US, India and elsewhere are quite ignorant, > there are many aspects of German civil and even criminal law that are > far more "restrictive" when it comes to advertising, copyright, > trademark, public licensure, etc... than in the US. > > DISCLAIMER: I may have never been out of the western hemisphere, but > I try not to be ignorant of cultures, let alone their legal system and > related, required knowledge that affects my profession. > > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de> > > I agree with Bryan here. Chances are that if an employer specifically > asks for > > somebody who is certified to RHCA level, they are looking for someone > with > > specific and extensive knowledge of the Red Hat approach to things. This > is > > something that LPI, as a vendor-independent organisation, cannot and > will not > > deliver. > > If an employer asks for RHCA because that is the only advanced Linux > > certification they know, that is a different problem, but as Bryan > suggests > > this cannot be solved by defining LPIC-3 (or whatever) in terms of RHCA. > It > > may well be the case that an LPIC-3 alumnus might be much closer to what > the > > employer actually requires, but that can only be ascertained by > educating that > > employer about LPI(C) and how it works. > > Agreed. Which is why one has to take the time to educate everyone > and, more pertinent yet, help the customers see their own > requirements. Many think they know what they need, but actually do > not. > > E.g., holding the RHCA myself (averaged only 1 exam/year, long story), > let me tell you what "assumptions" I run into personally and > professionally (many times) ... > - "So, when do you plan on getting your RHCE?" (assuming "A" = > "Administrator") > - "We only hire RHCAs. Oh, I didn't realize there are only > 300-something." (0 actually on-staff) > - "I have a RHCA ... oh, yeah, I meant RHCSA" ("SA" = "System > Administrator") > > So I don't think there's much of an "issue" that is specific to > non-Red Hat certificate holders. ;) > > NOTE: Being a RHCA, I try to do my best to educate everyone on LPI. > I do the same about Linux with Windows departments holding current > Microsoft MCITP/MCSA (Server 2008) credentials as well. > > From: Alexandru Ionica <alexandru.ion...@gmail.com> > > I haven't been in the situation to be asked about an RHCA but I think > > it would be of real value if LPI would also have an "top" level > certification > > Of course this is my opinion. > > I thought the LPIC-3 + specialties is already such? > > Although I leave it to Matt, Scott and others to consider additional > titles for LPIC-3 + specialties, let's not overlook the fact of what > LPIC-3 already offers. > > From: Alexandru Ionica <alexandru.ion...@gmail.com> > > Also it would also be a financially better alternative than to the > > costs of RedHat exams. I understand Brian's point that it is a > > big effort on RH's side to provide hands on exams, I see their > > value (and I paid for one of those) but also at least for me it is > > really expensive to follow that path(personally pay this) and I > > also found it over the time difficult in convincing employers to > > spend so much on training( and I have the feeling this is more > > common in Europe than US) . > > That's really a poor argument, and not usually the issue. That's why > I really dislike these "versus" comments and assumptions, because they > are often way off-the-mark. Unless you've been through both, it's > difficult to comment with knowledge. > > Although you may have sat RH302 or, now, EX200+EX300, scheduling > post-RHCE is far more of the issue. There are over 100,000 RHCEs, but > only thousands of RHCDS/RHCSS and hundreds of RHCAs. So you're > talking maybe 1% of the same people scheduling EX333 to EX442 in > comparison. > > Scheduling post-RHCE exams is the far bigger complaint, by far (myself > included). Heck, it's not easy for Red Hat either, and they trying > alternative options for exam-only events (without training) to make it > easier. > > There are Pros/Cons to each approach. I bring them up when I talk LPI > regularly. > > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de> > > I haven't met anybody yet who was happy with the Novell exam machinery. > > I won't common on Novell for SuSE examination, but for the short-lived > Microsoft 83 series ... > > A full-blown Windows desktop over VNC (yes, they used VNC, and didn't > even bother to have a proper PKI for VPN/SSH) over a poor connection > was intolerable. Thank God they give you 50 minutes, because what it > takes less than 5 minutes on a physical system requires most of it. > As I mentioned, mine (83-640 -- the only one ever offered) crashed and > I lost 20 minutes before I could re-connect. Ironically, at the end > of the exam, the survey asked me about all of my issues. > > I.e., Microsoft was well aware of the issues from the Beta. > > From: Anselm Lingnau <anselm.lingnau+exam...@linupfront.de> > > Way to go. Kick some a** ;^) > > We'll see. I ran through the 101/102/201/202 back in 2003 at lunch > one day after another. I got approval to take Tuesday off to sit them > again, plus I'm going to sit 301 on Thursday. Would have sat them all > in one day, except no Vue testing center within 50 miles was open > enough hours. > > But in any case, I just cut LPI some money, even if just a drop in the > bucket (but enough that my wife saw my credit card statement and > complained). ;) > > > -- > Bryan J Smith - Professional, Technical Annoyance > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > End of lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 61, Issue 9 > ****************************************** > -- --- Rondan Rino Certificado en LPIC-1 <https://cs.lpi.org/caf/Xamman/certification> LPI ID:LPI000209832 Verification Code:8wdn96zuz9 Blog:http://www.itrestauracion.com.ar Cv: http://cv.rinorondan.com.ar <http://www.rinorondan.com.ar/> http://counter.li.org Linux User -> #517918 Viva La Santa Federacion!! 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