On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Anselm Lingnau < [email protected]> wrote:
> ** > > Those who argue that systemd is »not Unix« would do well to note two > things: > > – Most other Unixes that matter no longer use System-V init, either, > > notably OS X and Solaris. This is not a case of »Linux vs. the rest of > > the Unix world«. > Indeed. In fact, many people when they start using systemd often point out features with, "oh, this is what Solaris promised to eventually do." (The BSD folks can bitch and moan all they want, but 10 users of > > Debian/kFreeBSD must not be allowed to hold back millions of users of > > Debian/GNU Linux. > Well, I think it's a bit more than that. > There are ways of setting things up such that systemd > > is the default init system on Debian GNU/Linux, and System-V init is the > > default init system on Debian/kFreeBSD, with reasonable maintainability > > and little extra effort on the part of Debian package developers, and this > > is being addressed within the Debian project as we speak.) > The greater issues are the increase in dependencies on busses, interfaces, messages, etc... in the upstream that assumes something like systemd is in-charge. I was just pointing that out. I would hope many open source platforms would adopt similar interfaces, or just understand some features won't be supported (many of which are *not* supported already with SysV like init any way). But to blame systemd as the "root cause" is a little mis-guided. It's more like the "catalyst" for an "existing issue." ;) – The opposition against systemd on philosophical grounds that we see today > > neatly parallels the opposition against System-V init, when it was new > > in the 1980s and widely vilified as unnecessary, over-engineered and > > »not Unix«. We ought to be allowed to rethink our basic infrastructure > > every 30 years or so. > Indeed. ;) Anyway, it will be a while until all of this has an actual bearing on LPI > exam development. We can hang around and wait for the dust to settle. > Well, between existing Upstart adoption and newer systemd standardization, they have most of the Linux distributions already. -- Bryan J Smith - Professional, Technical Annoyance b.j.smith at ieee.org - http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith
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