Thanks for all the great information about LPIC tutorials and documents >From @Anselm Lingnau - exercises have a place I would think but not as discrete as typing "ls" but more so asking people for a command to navigate up and down a directory hierarchy would be a better example.
There seems to be two streams here of tutorials and material - the "write a book in a weekend" - one book I completed 12 chapters on is here: https://github.com/jhajek/linux-text-book-part-1 The other is the is the list of current documentation - what about asking for a small group of volunteers to make a sub-committee and produce some proposals/review current offerings for the entire mailing list to weigh in on? What is everyone's thoughts? 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Re: dealing with the dearth of LPIC training materials > (P?ter J?nos Kerekes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:39:48 +0200 > From: Costas Senekkis <cos...@computrainlearning.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2 > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Message-ID: <1e01614b1d6b1fecdfb3b30082711...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > LPIC 1 materials need to be written again from scratch (my opinion) and > from my experience what students like more are the exercises meaning to > have practical exercises to practice in order to learn how to do things. > > Regards, > > Costas Senekkis > > -----Original Message----- > From: lpi-examdev-boun...@lpi.org [mailto:lpi-examdev-boun...@lpi.org] On > Behalf Of lpi-examdev-requ...@lpi.org > Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 11:23 AM > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Subject: lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2 > > Send lpi-examdev mailing list submissions to > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lpi-examdev-requ...@lpi.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lpi-examdev-ow...@lpi.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of lpi-examdev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: dealing with the dearth of LPIC training materials > (Anselm Lingnau) > 2. Re: dealing with the dearth of LPIC training materials > (Marco Verleun) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:15:36 +0100 > From: Anselm Lingnau <ans...@tuxcademy.org> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] dealing with the dearth of LPIC training > materials > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Message-ID: <2035900.cFfS5zCJlt@ceilidh> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kenneth Peiruza wrote: > > > LPIC 1 order isn't the most intuitive. > > I don't think anyone ever claimed that the order of the objectives in the > list is the order in which they should be taught or presented in a book. > You could do it in a book that presupposes its readers are quite > conversant with Linux and just need some cracks filled in for the exam, > but for people who are fairly new to Linux, the approach, as we say in the > business, sucks. > > At the risk of tooting my own horn, while we're talking LPIC training > materials, in the tuxcademy project we have a bunch of free manuals for > LPIC-1 at https://www.tuxcademy.org/ and they're generally getting rave > reviews. I agree that more work is needed for LPIC-2 (let alone LPIC-3), > but as far as > LPIC-1 is concerned we're good. > > If anyone wants to work with us on writing or translating free Linux/FLOSS > training materials then contact me. > > Anselm > -- > Anselm Lingnau ? ans...@tuxcademy.org ? https://www.tuxcademy.org Freie > Schulungsmaterialien f?r Linux und Open-Source-Software Free Training > Materials for Linux and Open-Source Software > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 10:30:47 +0100 > From: Marco Verleun <ma...@marcoach.nl> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] dealing with the dearth of LPIC training > materials > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: <75483dd1-9442-482b-903a-b55965bee...@marcoach.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Has anyone seen this before? > > http://lpic2.unix.nl <http://lpic2.unix.nl/> > > > Met vriendelijke groeten, > > Marco Verleun > > > > > > > > > > > ma...@marcoach.nl > www.marcoach.nl > 06-44 55 22 70 > > ? Certified Master Trainer > LPI Certified > Lid Apple Consultants Network > > BTW: NL-191980882B02 > KvK: 54438519 > DUNS: 49-041-7366 > Registered with CRKBO: https://www.crkbo.nl/Register/Docenten > > > > > > Op 9 mrt. 2017, om 10:15 heeft Anselm Lingnau <ans...@tuxcademy.org> het > volgende geschreven: > > > > Kenneth Peiruza wrote: > > > >> LPIC 1 order isn't the most intuitive. > > > > I don't think anyone ever claimed that the order of the objectives in > the list > > is the order in which they should be taught or presented in a book. You > could > > do it in a book that presupposes its readers are quite conversant with > Linux > > and just need some cracks filled in for the exam, but for people who are > > fairly new to Linux, the approach, as we say in the business, sucks. > > > > At the risk of tooting my own horn, while we're talking LPIC training > > materials, in the tuxcademy project we have a bunch of free manuals for > LPIC-1 > > at https://www.tuxcademy.org/ and they're generally getting rave > reviews. I > > agree that more work is needed for LPIC-2 (let alone LPIC-3), but as far > as > > LPIC-1 is concerned we're good. > > > > If anyone wants to work with us on writing or translating free > Linux/FLOSS > > training materials then contact me. > > > > Anselm > > -- > > Anselm Lingnau ? ans...@tuxcademy.org ? https://www.tuxcademy.org > > Freie Schulungsmaterialien f?r Linux und Open-Source-Software > > Free Training Materials for Linux and Open-Source Software > > _______________________________________________ > > lpi-examdev mailing list > > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/attachments/201703 > 09/de40bb39/attachment.htm > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: PastedGraphic-7.tiff > Type: image/tiff > Size: 13228 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/attachments/201703 > 09/de40bb39/attachment.tiff > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 801 bytes > Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP > Url : > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/attachments/201703 > 09/de40bb39/attachment.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > End of lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2 > ******************************************* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:05:37 +0100 > From: Anselm Lingnau <ans...@tuxcademy.org> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2 > To: lpi-examdev@lpi.org > Message-ID: <2006192.XaHHP2tnMV@ceilidh> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Costas Senekkis wrote: > > > LPIC 1 materials need to be written again from scratch (my opinion) > > Great. Go right ahead ;^) > > > and > > from my experience what students like more are the exercises meaning to > > have practical exercises to practice in order to learn how to do things. > > What would those exercises look like in your opinion? Our manuals contain > exercises but they are usually geared towards getting readers to apply the > material in a different context, and less towards rote repetition of what > is > in the text. > > Back when I was a certified Novell instructor, we used to teach classes for > SUSE Linux Enterprise Server based on Novell's materials, which contained > ?exercises? along the lines of: > > EXERCISE. Practice listing directory content. > > 1. Navigate to the /tmp directory by issuing the command > > cd /tmp > > followed by the RETURN key. > > 2. Display the content of the /tmp directory by issuing the command > > ls > > followed by the RETURN key. > > As far as I'm concerned such ?exercises? are a waste of space. Anyone who > reads about the ?ls? command in the training manual and doesn't try it for > themselves without being prodded to do it by the manual in the shape of an > ?exercise? has a problem right there. > > I'm all in favour of larger-scale ?practical lab? exercises that require > people to apply their knowledge in a wider context. I'm not convinced that > setting exercises and letting people learn stuff on their own based on what > the exercise requires is a panacea ? it may work in a self-learning setup > where students have essentially unlimited time, but I used to teach > commercial > instructor-led classroom courses where there was never enough time to begin > with, and therefore letting students work out stuff on their own would have > (a) severely limited the scope of the course, and (b) probably led to > riots on > the part of participants who presumably paid loads of money to have an > instructor teach them stuff, rather than have an instructor sit in the room > while they were teaching themselves stuff which they could just as well > have > done at home for free. > > Every so often we would be able to teach a longer class where (on top of > the > usual smaller-scale exercises interspersed with class work) on the last > day we > would have the opportunity to ask students to, e.g, ?please build a system > that has a web server in the DMZ for a number of internal users who can use > FTP to put stuff into their accounts (but not into other users' accounts), > with a suitable firewall, log monitoring, etc.? in order to bring together > everything we taught during the course in one big example, but > unfortunately > these were the exception rather than the rule. There are people who think > that > you should *start* your course with that exercise and have the rest of the > course consist of the participants figuring out the various bits and pieces > needed to put this together, but we never got that to work really well. The > theory says that it's easier if you have, say, nine people in the class and > you can divide them up in groups of three, with one web server guy, one FTP > server guy, and one firewall guy per group, where all the web server guys > get > together etc. and then go back to their group to explain the web server to > the > other two, but our classes, especially the more advanced classes, seldom if > ever were that big. > > Anselm > -- > Anselm Lingnau ? ans...@tuxcademy.org ? https://www.tuxcademy.org > Freie Schulungsmaterialien f?r Linux und Open-Source-Software > Free Training Materials for Linux and Open-Source Software > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:14:04 +0100 > From: Ingo Wichmann <iw-lis...@villa-vogelsang.de> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] dealing with the dearth of LPIC training > materials > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: <92229c41-c52e-4463-2594-92c09f5cf...@villa-vogelsang.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi there, > > starting last year we use tuxcademy training materials in our entry > level Linux training. And I like working with it. Readable, profound > texts. And interesting exercises. > > Ingo > > > > Am 09.03.2017 um 10:15 schrieb Anselm Lingnau: > > At the risk of tooting my own horn, while we're talking LPIC training > > materials, in the tuxcademy project we have a bunch of free manuals for > LPIC-1 > > at https://www.tuxcademy.org/ and they're generally getting rave > reviews. I > > agree that more work is needed for LPIC-2 (let alone LPIC-3), but as far > as > > LPIC-1 is concerned we're good. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:15:19 +0100 > From: Martin M?ller Skarbiniks Pedersen <traxpla...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [lpi-examdev] lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2 > To: "This is the lpi-examdev mailing list." <lpi-examdev@lpi.org> > Message-ID: > <CAGAA5bcHx-XPM9WLq4UOorFhu81ca947kUSBxR9h > rzal5b7...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 9 March 2017 at 10:39, Costas Senekkis <cos...@computrainlearning.com> > wrote: > > > LPIC 1 materials need to be written again from scratch (my opinion) and > > from my experience what students like more are the exercises meaning to > > have practical exercises to practice in order to learn how to do things. > > > Well, I think there are great LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 books out there. > > I am teaching LPIC 1 and 2 for 40-50 people a year. > > For LPIC-2 I am using a book by William "Bo" Rothwell. > http://www.pearsonitcertification.com/store/lpic-2-cert-guide-201- > 400-and-202-400-exams-9780789757142 > > For the LPIC-1 I am using two books: > "LPIC-1 Linux Professional Institute Certification Study Guide" from Sybex > and > "CompTIA Linux+/LPIC-1 Certification All-in-One Exam Guide, Second Edition > (Exams LX0-103 & LX0-104/101-400 & 102-400)" > > They also contains quiz and exercises. > > > Regards > Martin M. 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Certified Master Trainer > LPI Certified > Lid Apple Consultants Network > > BTW: NL-191980882B02 > KvK: 54438519 > DUNS: 49-041-7366 > Registered with CRKBO: https://www.crkbo.nl/Register/Docenten > > > > > Op 9 mrt. 2017, om 10:15 heeft Anselm Lingnau <ans...@tuxcademy.org> het > volgende geschreven: > > Kenneth Peiruza wrote: > > LPIC 1 order isn't the most intuitive. > > > I don't think anyone ever claimed that the order of the objectives in the > list > is the order in which they should be taught or presented in a book. You > could > do it in a book that presupposes its readers are quite conversant with > Linux > and just need some cracks filled in for the exam, but for people who are > fairly new to Linux, the approach, as we say in the business, sucks. > > At the risk of tooting my own horn, while we're talking LPIC training > materials, in the tuxcademy project we have a bunch of free manuals for > LPIC-1 > at https://www.tuxcademy.org/ and they're generally getting rave reviews. > I > agree that more work is needed for LPIC-2 (let alone LPIC-3), but as far as > LPIC-1 is concerned we're good. > > If anyone wants to work with us on writing or translating free Linux/FLOSS > training materials then contact me. > > Anselm > -- > Anselm Lingnau ? ans...@tuxcademy.org ? https://www.tuxcademy.org > Freie Schulungsmaterialien f?r Linux und Open-Source-Software > Free Training Materials for Linux and Open-Source Software > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > > > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/ > attachments/20170309/e88bcc26/attachment.htm > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: PastedGraphic-7.tiff > Type: image/tiff > Size: 13228 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/lpi-examdev/ > attachments/20170309/e88bcc26/attachment.tiff > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lpi-examdev mailing list > lpi-examdev@lpi.org > http://list.lpi.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev > > End of lpi-examdev Digest, Vol 105, Issue 3 > ******************************************* > -- Jeremy Hajek Systems Architect - School of Applied Technology Industry Associate Professor of Information Technology and Management ext: 630-682-6075 (2-6075) lab: 630-682-6060 (2-6060) Main: 312-567-5291 (7-5291) cell: 630-666-1961 skype: jeremy.hajek
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