Hi Les,

> I see no need for “abstraction at arbitrary boundaries”. Areas work just fine.
> IS-IS already has smooth transition capability for merging/splitting areas.

[HC]: The smooth transition capability for merging/splitting areas in IS-IS 
will not reduce the service interruption while an existing area or zone is 
being abstracted as a single node because the adjacency ups and downs.

> Given both of the points above, I see no value in “smooth transition to/from 
> zone abstraction”.

[HC]:  The "smooth transition to/from zone abstraction" will reduce the service 
interruption while an existing area or zone is being abstracted as a single 
node and vice versa.

Best Regards,
Huaimo
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From: Lsr <[email protected]> on behalf of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 5:06 PM
To: Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>; [email protected] 
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" - 
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt


I see no need for “abstraction at arbitrary boundaries”. Areas work just fine.



IS-IS already has smooth transition capability for merging/splitting areas.



Given both of the points above, I see no value in “smooth transition to/from 
zone abstraction”.



If these are the principal distinguishing characteristics of TTZ as compared to 
area proxy (and I would agree they are), then I see no reason why this solution 
should be pursued as well.



I am therefore opposed to WG adoption of TTZ.



   Les







From: Lsr <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 7:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" - 
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt





Based on the discussions in the last meeting and on the mailing list regarding 
draft-chen-isis-ttz-11, the chairs feel that there are enough differences with 
draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03 and in the community to consider advancing it 
independently on the experimental track.



These differences include abstraction at arbitrary boundaries and IS-IS 
extensions for smooth transition to/from zone abstraction.



We are now starting an LSR WG adoption call for draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt. 
Please indicate your support or objection to adoption prior to Tuesday, 
September 2nd, 2020.



Thanks,

Acee and Chris


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