Hi, Robert:

Aijun Wang
China Telecom

> On Nov 23, 2021, at 20:41, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Aijun,
> 
> You are mixing flooding speed with area convergence and with failure 
> detection. Those are completely orthogonal elements. 
[WAJ] What I want to express is the overall time from the failures occur to the 
ABR notice it via only IGP procedures. Shouldn’t it be within millisecond 
within one area? 
> 
> You questioned use of BFD - all I am stating that there is no easy way to 
> detect failure of the neighbour when LOS trigger is not an option. 
> 
> Thx,
> R.
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 1:26 PM Aijun Wang <wangai...@tsinghua.org.cn> wrote:
>> Hi, Robert:
>> 
>> Aijun Wang
>> China Telecom
>> 
>>>> On Nov 23, 2021, at 20:00, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Aijun,
>>>  
>>>> [WAJ] Once there is a link/node failure, upon receiving the updated LSA, 
>>>> the ABR ....
>>> 
>>> That node failure will need to be detected fast. 
>>> 
>>> The entire discussion here is to do it reasonably fast or as fast as 
>>> possible.
>> [WAJ] And also as less configuration as possible. We have invested several 
>> tools to increase the speed of LSA flooding. 
>>> That is why such detection must happen quickly via LOS or BFD or CFM 
>>> etc.... That is way before ABR will receive any LSA/LSP from the adjacent 
>>> nodes informing it of the failed adj. And in fact all such adj nodes MUST 
>>> do it fast as ABR will not react till it hears bad news from every node 
>>> previously connected to such PE.
>> [WAJ] The reaction time depend on the IGP convergence time after one node is 
>> detached from the network. It should be in milliseconds within one area? 
>> Right?
>>> 
>>> In every solution we work on we must see a full picture, not just single 
>>> pieces of the puzzle. 
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> R.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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