Hi, Hannes:

-----Original Message-----
From: Hannes Gredler <[email protected]> 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 5:27 PM
To: Aijun Wang <[email protected]>
Cc: 'Robert Raszuk' <[email protected]>; 'lsr' <[email protected]>; 'Les Ginsberg 
(ginsberg)' <[email protected]>; 'Tony Li' <[email protected]>; 'Shraddha Hegde' 
<[email protected]>; 'Peter Psenak' <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 09:42:57AM +0800, Aijun Wang wrote:

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|    Option 3: The “DOWN” detection on ABR is same as PUA/PULSE, the different
|    is how to propagate such “DOWN” information. Considering we have observed
|    that all P/PE router in other areas may be interested such information,
|    your proposal will require every P/PE router run BGP-LS, which is not the
|    aimed deploy scenarios for BGP-LS.
 
HG> BGP-LS has been conceived to solve the very problem of providing 
HG> visibility of other
area's link state. I fail to see what is out of scope here.
[WAJ] Yes. But it is not for the nodes within IGP itself. It's main aim is to 
feed the underlay topology information to the controller.

|    Then, if IGP has such capabilities, why bother BGP? What is the benefit?

HG> simply put: seperation of concerns. Agreed consensus is to mostly 
HG> use the
IGP for topology discovery and put the bulk of carrying reachability 
information into BGP which gives us:

1) flow-control capabilities (=by virtue of TCP) and
2) furthermore operators can scale and isolate the distribution vehicle for a 
given AFI/SAFI service
   using a dedicated RR infrastructure which does not mess with your bread and 
butter service
   infra.

IMO it is not a good idea to put (negative) reachability information back into 
the IGP as you would loose this "seperation of concerns" aspect and potentially 
de-stabilize your topology discovery tool and hence *all* your bread-and-butter 
services.
[WAJ] Yes. We are seeking the solution to the potential use of such unreachable 
information. Current BGP solutions has not convinced me until now.

HTH,

/hannes

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