Hannes Gredler <[email protected]> writes:

Why are we having this discussion again ?

My recollection is that we have a “good enough” solution that is
deployed and interoperable.
If you want the “generic solution” then the 16-bit TLVs described in
RFC7356 is the way to go forward and if there is concern about
incremental deployment then we should work on this aspect.

I also believe the 16 bit solution is the way forward if people wish to do any 
more on this at this point.

Thanks,
Chris.
[as wg-member]



/hannes



    On 23.10.2024, at 00:50, Aijun Wang <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Hi,Chris:

    Please elaborate clearly your technical reviews for the updates
    of the newly proposed Big-TLV solution.

    I can copy the updates again at here and state their effects
    clearly.(https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/
    dxK4Gy1WDR7QCXK6p58xgA0MdUc/ )Please give your analysis before
    you make any conclusions:


    A new version of Big-TLV document has been 
posted(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-lsr-isis-big-tlv), to 
try to give the community one general way to solve the Big TLV problem.

    The main changes from the previous versions are the followings:
    1) Add one "Identification" field within the container TLV(type TBD1), to 
function as the key for any sliced TLV, and is TLV code point independent.
    2) Add one "Flag" field, define currently the "F" bit to indicate whether 
the piece of container is the first piece(F bit is set to 1), or not (F bit is unset)
    3) Put all the sliced pieces within the newly defined container TLV(type 
TBD1).
    4) Define some rules for the "Split and Glue" procedures(may be 
re-optimizer later after the WG discussions)

    The updated version erases the necessity of defining the "key" information 
for every IS-IS (Possible Big) TLV code point, and also the necessity of per-TLV 
capability announcement.


    I would like to hear your detail analysis, especially as the WG chairs, for 
the above statements.

    Aijun Wang
    China Telecom


        On Oct 22, 2024, at 20:15, 【外部账号】Christian Hopps
        <[email protected]> wrote:


        Those changes don't appear to address what the WG already
        decided against. The view of the WG was that a new Big TLV
        for doing this was not going to work. Given the name of this
        work is Big TLV, that doesn't seem to have changed. So why
        should the WG be spending even more time on a solution they
        already discussed, debated and discarded?

        Thanks,
        Chris.
        [as wg chair]



            On Oct 22, 2024, at 06:47, Aijun Wang
            <[email protected]> wrote:



            Hi, Chris:



            No, we have made some significant updates.

            Please refer to https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr
            /dxK4Gy1WDR7QCXK6p58xgA0MdUc/ for more information.



            Aijun Wang

            China Telecom



                On Oct 22, 2024, at 17:04, 【外部账号】Christian
                Hopps <[email protected]> wrote:





                Is this the same thing that Huaimo has already
                presented to the WG, that the WG decided was not the
                way it wanted to go?



                Thanks,

                Chris.



                "Aijun Wang" <[email protected]> writes:



                    Hi, Yingzhen:







                    I would like to request 10-15minutes to make the
                    presentation for the

                    “IS-IS Extension for Big TLV”



                    The related information are the followings:







                    Draft Name:  IS-IS Extension for Big TLV



                    Link:    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/
                    draft-wang-lsr-isis-big-tlv

                    /



                    Presenter: Aijun Wang



                    Desired Slot Length: 10-15minutes.











                    Best Regards







                    Aijun Wang



                    China Telecom







                    发件人: [email protected]

                    [mailto:[email protected]] 代表
                    Yingzhen Qu

                    发送时间: 2024年10月12日 3:54

                    收件人: lsr <[email protected]>; lsr-chairs
                    <[email protected]>

                    主题: [Lsr] IETF 121 LSR Slot Requests







                    Hi,







                    The draft agenda for IETF 121 has been posted:



                    IETF 121 Meeting Agenda







                    The LSR session is scheduled on Thursday Session
                    I 09:30-11:30, Nov 7th, 2024.







                    Please send slot requests to [email protected]
                    before the end of the day



                    Wednesday Oct 23.  Please include draft name and
                    link, presenter, desired



                    slot length including Q&A.







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                    Yingzhen








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