Aijun, I read the CATS aim rather differently.  The ingress edge device gets two sets of information.  One set is the network information from the routing protocol.  The other set is the compute capabilities / metrics from the compute services.  The charter explicitly says that the process to combine those two sets of information is a local matter.  It seems quite a stretch to go from their to claiming that if the two sets of information are come from separate source, via separate channels, the effort will fail.

Yours,

Joel

On 11/16/2024 10:23 AM, Aijun Wang wrote:
Hi, Acee:

If the OSPF-GT instance has no interaction with the OSPF base instance, then the CATS’s aim, that the combined optimization of network and compute information WILL NOT be achieved.

Aijun Wang
China Telecom

On Nov 16, 2024, at 22:25, Acee Lindem <[email protected]> wrote:



On Nov 16, 2024, at 09:16, Aijun Wang <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi, Zongpeng:

The concern for OSPF-GT proposal is that there will be complex communication mechanism between the OSPF-GT instance and the OSPF base instance.
We have discussed such issues before.


I guess this shouldn’t surprise me but this is completely wrong. The OSPF-GT instance forms separate adjacency and has no interaction with the OSPF instance. To assure the information is current, OSPF-GT instances can either form a direct remote neighbor adjacency or by assuring the neighbor is reachable in the OSPF-GT topology for usage.

Acee





Aijun Wang
China Telecom

On Nov 16, 2024, at 21:46,[email protected]:


Hi, Aijun,

  I have checked that in this draft, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-transport-instance/07/

    One of the usecases is that 3.1. MEC Service Discovery

The followings are an incomplete list of the kind of information that
    OSPF-GT can be used to advertise:
       ...
    *  Network resources are limited, such as computing power, storage.
       The availability of such resources is dynamic, and OSPF-GT can be
       used to populate such information, so applications can pick the
       right location of such resources, hence improve user experience
       and resource utilization.
    Perhaps we can use the OSPF-GT as the way to prograte the computing information ?    However, it is stated as a way only for non-routing information. Best Regards
Zongpeng Du

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    *From:* Aijun Wang <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Date:* 2024-11-15 20:23
    *To:* Acee Lindem <mailto:[email protected]>
    *CC:* adrian <mailto:[email protected]>;lsr <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* [Lsr] Re: New Version Notification for
    draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization-00.txt
    Hi, Acee and Adrian:
    I noticed the CATS WG began just the use cases and architecture
    document and will follow the progress of works in CATS WG to
    update the proposed draft.
    And I want to empathize also that current IGP based proposal
    will not “ compromise convergence for the "Normal business" of
    the IGP ”, only the nodes that updated, or the nodes want to
    utilize such information will calculate the optimal path based
    on the network and compute information.
    There will be also no LOOP in the forwarding plane, because the
    traffic will be tunneled to the optimal destination edge node.
    Aijun Wang
    China Telecom
    > On Nov 15, 2024, at 19:42, Acee Lindem <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    >
    > Speaking as co-chair of LSR:
    >
    >> On Nov 15, 2024, at 06:22, Adrian Farrel
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> Speaking as co-chair of CATS.
    >>
    >> The CATS working group is still not ready for any protocol
    solutions work, although we are aware that a number of
    proposals have been made.
    >>
    >> At the moment we are still developing the architecture,
    requirements, and metrics. These are fundamentals that we need
    to resolve before it is appropriate to get behind any protocol
    solutions.
    >
    > That’s fine with us since we have a backlog of drafts to
    consider in LSR.
    >
    >>
    >> However, it is worth noting that CATS is an edge function.
    That is, it does traffic steering not routing/forwarding within
    the network. One of the issues to be resolved is how to get the
    right compute metric information to the right places in the
    network without challenging other places to handle unwanted
    information.
    >
    > Right - it seems we’ve been all through this in the initial
    CATS discussions. When we do get to solutions, attaching this
    compute capacity information to the base topology LSAs and LSPs
    is definitely the wrong direction.
    >
    >
    >>
    >> In this context, many might apply caution to the use of an
    IGP because of the load it places on every node in the network
    even though most of those nodes do not need to see the compute
    traffic. It might be worrying that this load would compromise
    convergence for the "Normal business" of the IGP - namely to
    forward packets.
    >
    > Exactly.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Acee
    >
    >
    >>
    >> It might be useful to look at the work done long ago in the
    L1VPN working group to use a separate instance of the IGP (in
    that case, the work was only done for OSPF) to distribute VPN
    membership information between remote peers at the edge of the
    network. This approach protects transit routers from the
    additional information and makes it just an edge function. See
    RFC 5252 and RFC 5523.
    >>
    >> Cheers,
    >> Adrian
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: Aijun Wang <[email protected]>
    >> Sent: 15 November 2024 02:18
    >> To:[email protected]
    >> Subject: [Lsr] 转发: New Version Notification for
    draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization-00.txt
    >>
    >> Hi, All:
    >>
    >> We have submitted one document that proposes the IGP based
    solution for network-computing-combined optimization, which can
    apply to the scenarios that discussed within CATS WG.
    >> Feedbacks and comments are welcome.
    >>
    >> Aijun Wang
    >> China Telecom
    >>
    >> -----邮件原件-----
    >> 发件人:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>]
    >> 发送时间: 2024年11月15日 10:15
    >> 收件人: Gyan S. Mishra <[email protected]>; Aijun Wang
    <[email protected]>; Changwang
    <[email protected]>; Changwang Lin
    <[email protected]>; Gyan Mishra
    <[email protected]>; Zhibo Hu <[email protected]>
    >> 主题: New Version Notification for
    draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization-00.txt
    >>
    >> A new version of Internet-Draft
    >> draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization-00.txt has
    been successfully submitted by Aijun Wang and posted to the
    IETF repository.
    >>
    >> Name: draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization
    >> Revision: 00
    >> Title:    IGP based Network Computing Combined Optimization
    >> Date:     2024-11-15
    >> Group:    Individual Submission
    >> Pages:    13
    >> URL:
    
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization-00.txt
    >> Status:
    
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization/
    >>
    
HTMLized:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-lsr-network-computing-optimization
    >>
    >>
    >> Abstract:
    >>
    >>  This document describes the scenario and procedures that
    can be used
    >>  to accomplish the IGP based network and computing combined
    >>  optimization within the IS-IS or OSPF domain.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> The IETF Secretariat
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