Hi Med,

Thanks for correcting me - I missed that aspect.

Thanks,
Ketan


On Tue, Mar 3, 2026 at 10:39 PM <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Ketan,
>
> One quick comment on:
>
> > 1018    9.1.  Normative References
> >
> > 1020       [IANA-OSPF-FC-Bits]
> > 1021                  IANA, "OSPF Router Functional Capability
>
> What is in the draft is correct as this is needed to create the
> IANA-maintained module (iana-ospf-functional-cap-bits).
>
> Cheers,
> Med
>
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> > DISCUSS:
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > Thanks to the authors and the WG for their work on this document.
> >
> > This document attempts to bring in a feature to the OSPF protocol
> > that has been
> > there in IS-IS and I believe this to be useful. However, I have some
> > points
> > that I would like to discuss about the proposal in the document.
> >
> > <discuss-1> I am trying to understand if there is such a thing as an
> > unreachable
> > link. Isn't reachability evaluated for nodes and prefixes advertised
> > by those
> > nodes? I was trying to find RFCs in either IGPs that cover
> > unreachability for
> > links. What we do have is for a link to be not used/considered in
> > the SPF
> > computation. That makes the link unusable for SPF, but not
> > unreachable, right?
> > This is important since the document talks about
> > reachability/unreachability of
> > links throughout the text, while that notion applies to nodes &
> > prefixes.
> >
> > <discuss-2> I would like to discuss if the authors/WG considered
> > using an
> > approach similar to RFC8379 to signal un-usability of links in SPF
> > rather
> > than disturbing all the link metric constants and calculations that
> > are widely
> > implemented. This feature requires a new capability anyway, and so
> > using
> > a TLV for this indication would have been just fine? One argument in
> > favor of
> > this approach that I would like the WG to consider is that it does
> > not change
> > the semantics of existing MaxLinkMetric and its treatment. This
> > means that in
> > a partial deployment where this feature is being introduced
> > gradually, the
> > nodes don't link to update their Router LSAs in response to change
> > in the
> > area-wide capability. I understand that the current approach is
> > taken from
> > IS-IS, however, that was a day 1 feature in that protocol while in
> > OSPF one
> > needs to factor in existing implementations that perhaps warrant a
> > different
> > approach?
> >
> > <discuss-3> Doesn't the MaxLinkMetric value remain 0xffff if not all
> > routers in
> > an area support this new capability? The value changes to 0xfffe
> > only when
> > all routers in an area support this new capability. This means the
> > values
> > change based on area-wide capability and hence are no longer
> > constant.So,
> > why is there a need to introduce two new "constants" (keeping aside
> > for now the
> > 'reachability' in their names), when this document could have simply
> > changed
> > the value of MaxLinkMetric to 0xfffe when this capability is turned
> > on across
> > the area. This way, the document only needs to update RFC6987.
> >
> > <discuss-4> When IS-IS introduced this concept via RFC5305 it
> > covered both the
> > IGP as well as TE metric. Should OSPF also not consider covering
> > both?
> >
> > 230        *  The OSPFv2 Extended Link TLV of OSPFv2 Extended Link
> > Opaque LSA
> > 231           [RFC7684]
> >
> > <discuss-5> I don't see how it applies to OSPFv2 Extended Link
> > Opaque LSA. Which
> > specific TLV/sub-TLV is going to carry this metric?
> >
> > 235     3.2.  Unreachable Link Backward Compatibility
> >
> > <discuss-6> Can the authors/WG please consider if this section
> > should be updated
> > along the lines of
> > https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
> > w.rfc-editor.org%2Frfc%2Frfc8770%23section-
> > 5&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7Cb67cf112eeff4d0e51
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> > as that is
> > quite good and thorough. The current text is missing some important
> > aspects such
> > as LSA scope.
> >
> > 330     4.1.  Configuration Parameters
> >
> > 332        Support of the Unreachable Link capability SHOULD be
> > configurable.
> >
> > <discuss-7> Why not MUST? Isn't this a very operator driven thing
> > and therefore
> > there MUST be a config option? Also, I don't seem to find the knob
> > in the YANG
> > module to mark the link usable/unusable. Am I missing something?
> > These knobs
> > (default OFF) are needed for both the router level capability and
> > the per-link
> > setting.
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > COMMENT:
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> >
> > Please also find below some comments provided inline in the idnits
> > o/p of v23
> > of this document. Look for the tag <EoRv23> at the end to ensure
> > that you have
> > received the full review.
> >
> > 16      Abstract
> >
> > <minor> Could the abstract convey that all these changes are
> > contingent on
> > the presence of a new capability?
> >
> > 107        In order to advertise these links as unreachable, the
> > metric
> > 108        LSLinkInfinity (0xffff) is used to specify that the link
> > is
> > 109        unreachable and OSPF routers supporting this
> > specification will
> > 110        exclude the link from SPF calculations (subject to
> > backward-
> > 111        compatibility constraints, refer to Section 3.2).
> >
> > <minor> perhaps s/backward-compatibility constraints/capability
> > negotiation ?
> >
> > 113        Stub Router Advertisement [RFC6987] defines MaxLinkMetric
> > (0xffff) to
> > 114        indicate a router-LSA link should not be used for transit
> > IP traffic.
> >
> > <major> Isn't this is a wrong characterization of RFC6987? RFC6987
> > is setting
> > this highest level of metric in the hope that the link gets used
> > only as a last
> > resort. The "should not be used" is incorrect.
> >
> > 121        Similarly, Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) IGP
> > Synchronization
> > 122        [RFC5443] specifies OSPF advertisement of MaxLinkMetric
> > (0xffff) to
> > 123        indicate that while the OSPF adjacency is in FULL state,
> > LDP has not
> > 124        been synchronized between the two neighbors and transit
> > traffic is
> > 125        discouraged.  This document updates [RFC5443] with
> > respect to the
> > 126        advertisement of MaxReachableLinkMetric rather than
> > MaxLinkMetric.
> >
> > <major> You are missing implications on RFC8379 ?
> >
> > 218        While the interpretation of LSLinkInfinity is only
> > required in the
> > 219        base topology as other topologies are optional [RFC4915],
> > OSPF
> >
> > <major> I am not sure that I understand why MT is being brought in
> > here. Can you
> > please elaborate the implications on MT?
> >
> > 222        This applies to both the Flex-Algorithm SPF [RFC9350] and
> > the base
> > 223        SPF as long as LSLinkInfinity is specified for the OSPF
> > metric.
> >
> > <major> Perhaps what you mean to say is that it applies to Flex-Algo
> > where the
> > metric type used for computation is IGP Metric. Please clarify. I
> > believe it
> > also applies to Algo 1 -
> > https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
> > w.iana.org%2Fassignments%2Figp-parameters%2Figp-
> > parameters.xhtml%23igp-algorithm-
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> >
> > 307        An OSPFv3 router can simply advertise R-bit in its
> > router-LSA options
> > 308        [RFC5340] to prevent usage stub router links for transit
> > traffic.
> > 309        Similarly, OSPFv2 routers supporting [RFC8770] can
> > advertise the
> > 310        H-bit in the router-LSA options.
> >
> > <major> Please consider removing the above paragraph. It is not
> > relevant to this
> > feature and may only cause readers to ponder if they are missing any
> > relation
> > between these two separate procedures.
> >
> > 334        In some networks, the operator may still want links with
> > maximum
> > 335        metric (0xffff) to be treated as reachable.  For example,
> > when the
> > 336        cost of links is automatically computed based on the
> > inverse of the
> > 337        link's bandwidth and there is a mix of low-speed and
> > high-speed
> > 338        links, the computation may result in the maximum metric.
> > In this
> > 339        case, OSPF routers supporting this specification can
> > disable the
> > 340        Unreachable Link capability and still treat links with
> > maximum metric
> > 341        as reachable.
> >
> > 343        It is also RECOMMENDED that implementations supporting
> > this document
> > 344        and auto-costing limit the maximum computed cost to
> > 345        MaxReachableLinkMetric (0xfffe).  An example of auto-
> > costing would be
> > 346        to automatically set the link metric to be inversely
> > proportional to
> > 347        the link bandwidth (refer to the auto-cost feature in the
> > ietf-
> > 348        ospf.yang [RFC9129]).
> >
> > <major> What is meant by "OSPF routers supporting ... can disable"?
> > Would this
> > not cause churn and instability as capability is turned on/off based
> > on link
> > bandwidth changes (e.g., in the case of a bundle?). Why not change
> > RECOMMENDED
> > to MUST to fix this issue in a proper way?
> >
> > 862     5.  Security Considerations
> >
> > 864        A compromised OSPF router could advertise changes to its
> > Unreachable
> > 865        Link capability rapidly resulting in repeated route
> > recalculations on
> > 866        routers in the area supporting this specification
> > (Section 3.2).
> > 867        Hence, it is RECOMMENDED that routers supporting this
> > specification
> > 868        also support the SPF back-off delay algorithm described
> > in [RFC8405].
> >
> > <major> It is not just about a compromised router. It could be an
> > older router
> > or one that does not support this feature becoming
> > connected/disconnected to
> > the rest of the routers in the area. This is enough to cause the
> > area wide
> > capability to flip back/forth. This isn't for the security
> > considerations but
> > perhaps should be there in the operational considerations - i.e.,
> > recommend
> > that care be taken when this capability is enabled and some
> > router(s) in the
> > network does not support it?
> >
> > 1018    9.1.  Normative References
> >
> > 1020       [IANA-OSPF-FC-Bits]
> > 1021                  IANA, "OSPF Router Functional Capability
> > Bits",
> > 1022
> > <https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > ww.iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fospf-
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> >
> > 1024       [IANA-YANG-Parameters]
> > 1025                  IANA, "YANG Module Names",
> > 1026
> > <https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > ww.iana.org%2Fassignments%2Fyang-
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> > g%3D&reserved=0>.
> >
> > <major> The above two references seem informative to me.
> >
> > 1127       [RFC5340]  Coltun, R., Ferguson, D., Moy, J., and A.
> > Lindem, "OSPF
> > 1128                  for IPv6", RFC 5340, DOI 10.17487/RFC5340,
> > July 2008,
> > 1129
> > <https://fra01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > ww.rfc-
> > editor.org%2Finfo%2Frfc5340&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orang
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> > scVvMiuLl1dM%3D&reserved=0>.
> >
> > <major> Should RFC5340 not be normative?
> >
> > <EoRv23>
> >
> >
>
>
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