Hi Ron,

Thanks for the dialogue. 

Imagine you want to buy a $10 t shirt. You can also buy a $5 discount, which 
costs you $2. Would you be saving $5 or $3? And if you buy the discount but do 
not buy the t-shirt are you net $0?

The essence of my question is whether the costs are being accounted for for in 
the baseline. 

Thanks,

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> On May 6, 2026, at 19:24, Bonica, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Carlos,
> 
> I think that you have a good point that is relevant to a different part of 
> the design.
> 
> Operators will deploy this technology only if the Return on Investment (ROI) 
> is high. To calculate the return on investment, the operator needs to know 
> how much power (aka, money) they saved.
> 
> This draft advertises power information in IS-IS so that CSPF can optimize 
> path computation for power savings. Rerouting traffic doesn't save money. 
> However, it facilitates another system that monitors power-save-capable 
> hardware and powers it down when it is not needed. It also powers it up when 
> it is needed again. That component saves energy and money.
> 
> It would be great if there were a yang model that reflected the following 
> information for each power-save-capable hardware component:
> 
> How much energy does it consume when awake
> What is its sleeping/waking history
> 
> If such a yang model existed, it would provide a history of power savings.
> 
> Interested?
> 
>                                                  Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Carlos Pignataro <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2026 2:08 PM
> To: Tony Li <[email protected]>
> Cc: Christian Hopps <[email protected]>; lsr <[email protected]>; 
> "“[email protected]”" <[email protected]>; ops-ads <[email protected]>; 
> [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Lsr] Re: [Green] Next steps for draft-many-lsr-power-group-02
> 
> Hi, Tony,
> 
> > On May 5, 2026, at 2:10 AM, Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> >
> >> One additional suggestion: it would be valuable for 
> >> draft-many-lsr-power-group to include some consideration of how its 
> >> mechanisms can be evaluated from an energy perspective. For example, 
> >> guidance on measuring impact, comparing against a baseline, or reporting 
> >> observed energy savings (and any managed decreases and/or unintended 
> >> increases) in deployments.
> >>
> >> Even lightweight guidance here could help ensure that experimental results 
> >> are actionable and can inform the broader work in green or elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > I’m not understanding what you’re requesting.  draft-many-lsr-power-group 
> > provides a basis for path computation that allows PCE implementations to 
> > consolidate traffic, thereby idling components that can be put into 
> > power-sleep.  Without a specific analysis of a network, traffic demand 
> > matrix, and detailed hardware information, (all of which are operator 
> > confidential), I’m not sure what we can provide that is helpful.
> 
> Thanks — I was too open-ended and broad, so let me clarify. This is not about 
> the particulars of any specific network or requiring confidential inputs.
> 
> The intent is simply to ensure that the evaluation captures the net 
> system-level impact (i.e., whether the mechanisms enable sufficient 
> consolidation to reduce overall energy consumption relative to a baseline.) 
> In other words, the considering both sides: the additional overhead 
> introduced, and the potential energy savings from traffic consolidation and 
> resource idling. How is the simulation / premise / framework evaluating net 
> >0 or <0?
> 
> >
> > We’ve already presented simulation results to substantiate the underlying 
> > premise.
> >
> > I ask that we please proceed.
> 
> Yes — and not mutually exclusive with ^^^
> 
> Best,
> 
> Carlos.
> 
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> 
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