What are your thoughts in terms of usability between setting up mattermost and riot for developer and non developer audiences?
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:12 PM Julian Oliver <[email protected]> wrote: > ..on Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 12:28:26PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: > > Internet Freedom Festival uses Mattermost: > > > > > https://medium.com/iff-community-stories/were-not-a-conference-9cf252199652 > > > Definitely go with self-hosted Mattermost or RocketChat or RiotIM. The > former > FLOSS 'team edition' is *astonishingly* performant. I installed and > sysadmin a > server with many thousands of members (at risk groups) spanning over 160 > teams. > It's extra-ordinarily fast - barely expresses any load on the system, and > is > used heavily day in and out. > > Discord has among the worst privacy ToS in the chat space, openly > presenting > their service as a data harvest for downstream buyers. > > "By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content > with > the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, > royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, > modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, > distribute, > perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and > providing the > Service." > > https://discordapp.com/terms > > Discord are actually even worse than Slack as regards our basic rights > online, > which is itself quite an achievement. Not sure I can think of a worse > partner > for mass team chat! > > Cheers, > > Julian > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 12:14 PM Petter Ericson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > On 24 juni, 2019 - axel simon wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:17:02PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: > > > > > Discord: what Facebook is trying to become. > > > > > > > > > https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/how-discord-went-mainstream-influencers/584671/ > > > > > > > > > > Why to switch from Google Chrome to Mozilla Firefox. > > > > > > > > > https://www.siliconvalley.com/2019/06/21/google-chrome-has-become-surveillance-software-its-time-to-switch/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Discord is interesting in that it's popular and offers people the > > > possibility to have their own community (which they call "server", I > > > believe), but there's nothing free and open source about it. > > > > > > As of this writing, Discord has, as if to prove this point, been > globally > > > unavailable due to Cloudflare issues. > > > > > > > Matrix, and its main client Riot, are much more interesting to me > > > currently, as they are (ambitiously) trying to solve multiple problems > at > > > once: a modern chat system, with voice and video and file sharing, with > > > end-to-end cryptography, while maintaining a decentralised network > > > architecture so that anyone can run their own instance, join and > federate > > > with the rest. > > > > > > Well, to harp on about long lost battles - XMPP did it first. I firmly > > > believe that if all the effort spent on Matrix clients had instead > been put > > > into improving XMPP, then it would far surpass the current standards of > > > both. Even so, XMPP is the protocol with several independent and > mutually > > > compatible server _and_ client implementations, as well a > well-established > > > protocol (and protocol extension process). > > > > > > > Current versions of Riot might not be entirely as slick as Discord, > but > > > they are getting better and they are very usable. > > > > Incidently, Matrix has bridges to connect to other chat network (and > > > ideally, bridge them together, hence the name), and can bridge to > Discord. > > > So there's a possibility of getting everyone to play nice with each > other. > > > > > > Bridging has, time and again, shown itself to be a Much Harder Problem > > > than may be apparent, with massive amounts of boring corner cases and > > > exceptions. We'll see. > > > > > > > > Regarding Firefox vs. Chrome, Firefox has been the only browser (with > > > any relevant market share) that isn't the product of a for profit > company > > > for a while. While Mozilla have made questionable descisions at time > (and > > > outright mistakes at others), that alone should be a strong argument to > > > consider where one gets their browser from. I recall reading a > statement in > > > an article around Chrome's release about 10 years ago by then-CEO Eric > > > Schmidt explaining that at the end of the day, if you want to be able > to > > > really control and see what users are doing, you need your own browser. > > > This was when people couldn't quite understand why Google would build > its > > > own browser when Firefox had manage to end the Internet Explorer dead > lock > > > and they had a good relationship. > > > > That passage really stayed with me (and if anyone were to find it, > I'd > > > be very greatful, I can't seem to do so). > > > > > > > > So yes, it's not that surprising that, when push comes to shove, the > > > engineering teams working on Chrome have to bow to the business > priorities > > > of Google, the world's (more or less) biggest advertisement company. > > > > > > I'm in complete agreement. > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > axel > > > > > > > > -- > > > > axel simon > > > > mail/matrix: [email protected] > > > > twitter: @axelsimon > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major > > > commercial search engine. 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