We like to think we’ve gotten much better in the past 2 years.  We’d encourage 
you to try Jitsi again, as our architecture as well as videobridge SFU codebase 
have both improved quite a bit.

If you still don’t like, we’d be happy to take feedback and try to continue to 
improve the platform, both on our own flagship (https://meet.jit.si/ 
<https://meet.jit.si/>) but also for anyone to deploy and run for themselves.

Cheers,

-Aaron


> On Apr 8, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> OK granted they’re evil, just like the McDonalds hamburger you eat every once 
> in a while, or the car you drive around and its carbon footprint. But not 
> EVIL INCARNATE! 😈🤠
> 
> 
> And my two cents on alternative platforms like Jitsi: between 2 and 3 years 
> ago I had a series of videoconferences regarding employment with a supercool 
> company **NOT EVEN EVIL!😈** and they were through JITSI. Not a pleasant 
> experience. Now imagine that platform suddenly having to deliver to millions 
> if not billions of people online in remote classes, meetings, chats, etc 
> etc.. Granted, it was 2+ years ago, but nothing gets super better in that 
> time lapse anygüeys.
> 
> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
> 
> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> +1 (347) 766-5008
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, bo0od <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> who said in all what you have mentioned they are secure not evil? apple and 
>> google not evil? proprietary hardware backdoors not evil?
>> 
>> so yes, just because something is PROPRIETARY it is EVIL , and first harm 
>> its doing which is locking user freedom not to mention censorship and ..etc
>> 
>> We can say proprietary harmfulness can be from 1 - 10 but there is no 0 , 
>> all of them are harmful.
>> 
>> Nice collection to look at for e.g:
>> 
>> https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/ <https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/>
>> 
>> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes:
>>> bo0od,
>>> Apple is PROPRIETARY
>>> Most computer hardware is PROPRIETARY
>>> Google stuff is PROPRIETARY
>>> Most Internet Service Providers available to most people are VERY 
>>> PROPRIETARY
>>> So, in that context, your comment seems to be moot. Just because something 
>>> is PROPRIETARY doesn’t mean it’s EVIL INCARNATE. It may not be perfect, it 
>>> certainly will have many flaws, some of them serious, but I bet and confirm 
>>> in my personal experience that it also has many positives.
>>> Regards / Saludos / Grato
>>> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:52 PM, bo0od <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> what a stupid discussion. To make it smart one first FREE SOFTWARE THE 
>>>> APP!! then we talk about smartness , security , privacy...etc
>>>> 
>>>> Zoom is PROPRIETARY based in USA.
>>>> 
>>>> Yosem Companys:
>>>>> tform and his
>>>>> willingness to take aggressive action to get there. He asked if I would be
>>>>> interested in helping Zoom build up its security, privacy and
>>>> 
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