> On 24 Apr 2020, at 20:29, msunet <[email protected]> wrote: > > There was some talk about this at the Flatten the Curve Summit. At first, I > thought this technology would be interesting, but now I have doubts about it. > It doesn't seem very useful to trace people if you can't test them, first of > all.
If traces are not already being collected, then the test result can’t be transmitted to likely exposed persons. > I also wonder how the random numbers are generated -- will they use your > device or advertising ID? How can you tell when they embed this technology in > their proprietary, secret OSes anyway? I also haven't seen what the > authentication layer is -- will you need a google account? -- or more > generally, how they plan to protect the system from attackers. It's also not > clear to me who owns the data, where it is stored, how much of it, or for how > long. And when does the tracing end? Apple/Google anouncement covers this. > They also have not solved fundamental problems about this tech, like signals > going through walls. Sound can also be used. Here are my links: conflict between France and Apple/Google, because the privacy of the French app is weaker than that permitted by the Apple/Google approach: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129 <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129> https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-strengths-weaknesses/ <https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-strengths-weaknesses/> UK app also conflicts: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/16/nhs-in-standoff-with-apple-and-google-over-coronavirus-tracing <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/16/nhs-in-standoff-with-apple-and-google-over-coronavirus-tracing> These conflicting approaches are dangerous and will not work: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/coronavirus-digital-contact-tracing-will-fail-unless-privacy-is-respected-experts-warn <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/coronavirus-digital-contact-tracing-will-fail-unless-privacy-is-respected-experts-warn> Credential solution for low resource areas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3totKQ_BnBc <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3totKQ_BnBc> https://medium.com/coviid/our-vision-for-covi-id-3ee2a1fe3049 <https://medium.com/coviid/our-vision-for-covi-id-3ee2a1fe3049> The rights issue: https://exposurealerting.org/ <https://exposurealerting.org/> Audio to increase accuracy: https://www.novid.org/ <https://www.novid.org/> This addresses privacy issues with audio as a way of with stopping the through-the-wall Bluetooth contact errors: https://www.wired.com/2016/11/block-ultrasonic-signals-didnt-know-tracking/ <https://www.wired.com/2016/11/block-ultrasonic-signals-didnt-know-tracking/> One way to self-generate credentials, while protecting privacy https://blog.openmined.org/ckks-homomorphic-encryption-pytorch-pysyft-seal/ <https://blog.openmined.org/ckks-homomorphic-encryption-pytorch-pysyft-seal/> https://blog.openmined.org/pysyft-pytorch-intel-sgx/ <https://blog.openmined.org/pysyft-pytorch-intel-sgx/> Objections: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-wont-stop-covid-alone/ <https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-wont-stop-covid-alone/> A not that clear objection to Apple/Google standard: https://medium.com/asecuritysite-when-bob-met-alice/the-flawed-world-of-contact-tracing-wheres-carol-the-tester-3939ac92488a <https://medium.com/asecuritysite-when-bob-met-alice/the-flawed-world-of-contact-tracing-wheres-carol-the-tester-3939ac92488a> dss David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark [email protected] Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070
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