Wonderful =) It sounds like you need help making sure people are acting on each others' knowledge?
On Tue, May 5, 2020, 12:26 PM Doug Schuler <[email protected]> wrote: > Couldn't we just look at what pages people spend the most time with? The > amount of advertising. The percentage of commercial sites vs. > non-commercial. I didn't think that corporate and state domination of the > internet was in dispute. > > But I don't think we could point to one person! There are plenty of local > fiefdoms ruled not just by corporations (although money I assume plays a > massive role) China and Russia, etc. > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:08 AM Karl <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Doug, >> >> It sounds like you're aware of the internet being solely >> corporate-dominated. >> >> If we had proof that someone were algorithmically ensuring that the >> internet stayed corporate-dominated, do you know of a way to preserve and >> possibly publicize such proof? >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020, 11:49 AM Doug Schuler < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Technology absolutely has politics since it's embedded within social >>> (and material) contexts. I like Langdon's quote in the Whale and the >>> Reactor: "Because choices tend to become strongly fixed in material >>> equipment, economic investment, and social habit, the original flexibility >>> vanishes for all practical purposes once the initial commitments are made." >>> >>> On the other hand, technology is not strictly deterministic. A hospital >>> can be used to help heal people or it can be used to imprison them and to >>> perform experiments on them. Television doesn't have to be a solely >>> corporate dominated medium nor does the internet — but they are. >>> >>> — Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM Aram Sinnreich <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What do you make of Langdon Winner's work, arguing that sociotechnical >>>> artifacts have inherent "politics?" >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On May 5, 2020, at 10:33 AM, grarpamp <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Technology is but an agnostic tool. >>>> > There is no such thing as a liberation tech, >>>> > only applied tech via paths toward something. >>>> > One cannot apply a tech toward liberation >>>> > without first considering what a state of being >>>> > of actual liberation might variously be about, >>>> > to know where to go, what to make with the tech. >>>> > Democracy being nothing more than a >>>> > decentralized form of the murderous dictators >>>> > many claim to be liberating themselves or people from, >>>> > both forms hardly a state of liberation at all, >>>> > yet worshipped and profferred by all too many, >>>> > we therefore continue this random series >>>> > on path choices... >>>> > >>>> > How to be a tyrant. Sound Familiar? >>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4LtEciQUF8 >>>> > >>>> > Deep Divers, let the balloon go! >>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbX-Bvb2u_w >>>> > >>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3lEc-IFr8 >>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLntHoTgDA >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major >>>> commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you >>>> moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. Unsubscribe, >>>> change to digest mode, or change password by emailing >>>> [email protected]. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major >>>> commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you >>>> moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. 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