Hi Yosem, Thanks for letting us know about Wevoyce. I just skimmed it but the bits about "real people*," upvoting and, especially, micro donations, sound very interesting. Since my career has been in software testing, I will at least try it and let you know about anything I see.
Paul Czyzewski * As long as you don't get swamped by real people who are, for example, Proud Boys or NRA members On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 12:04 PM Yosem Companys <[email protected]> wrote: > Excellent point, Nathaniel. > > Some of us at Liberationtech have gotten together to try to fix political > discourse on social media and campaign finance by developing a new > mobile-based solution called Wevoyce. If you and others on the list would > like to check it out and give us feedback, please let me know. We would > really appreciate it. > > Thanks, > Yosem > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM Nathaniel Borenstein via cpsr-activists > list <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This may sound naive, but here goes… >> >> Social media are just the latest way for people to communicate. All the >> other ways we have found to communicate have allowed us to express both the >> best and the worst of ourselves. It’s often easier to figure out how to >> express the worst, but that doesn’t mean we can’t focus on the best. >> >> To my mind the right question is this: how can we use social media to >> create countervailing trends to the ones we have spent so much time >> bemoaning? >> >> Unfortunately it is possible that the best answers to this question will >> require wrenching control of the social media landscape from big companies, >> but I suspect there is a fair amount we can do short of that. — Nathaniel >> >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 12:33 PM, Doug Schuler via cpsr-activists list < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> One question is certainly why would one person use social media. The >> "CPSR" angle on it in my opinion would be something like this: Given the >> immense damage that social media as it's currently deployed and used wreaks >> on society, the public sphere, democracy, mental health, whatever you want >> to call it, what ought computer professionals do about it? >> >> It seems like other hams that are perpetrated in that it affects >> different people unequally. >> >> But I would also argue that, as with TV, individuals can "turn it off" >> but they can't turn off social media culture... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 PM Paul via cpsr-activists list < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> rant >>>> I think that the crucial issue with facebook, twitter, etc is not >>>> just how manipulative they are, or are not. It's how Jeff long ago >>>> answered TV. I.E., don't use it at all. >>>> >>>> Of course I realize that this side-steps the issue for the >>>> hundreds of millions of people who *do* use them. But, news aside, they >>>> are too much of a time sink and, IMO, the signal to noise ratio is >>>> unbelievably low.* Since I'm ranting, I'll throw in my Twitter analogy; >>>> it's like opening and reading two hundred fortune cookies because *one* >>>> of them may include something that you're glad you've read.** I'm not a >>>> very productive person, and I'm in no critical function (well, for a few >>>> more weeks, I will help some US Census enumerators who are having payroll >>>> issues) but, even when I'm unemployed, my time is *far* too valuable to >>>> spend on social media. >>>> One more opinion before I step off my high-horse. Getting news >>>> from Facebook or other social media is totally a losing proposition. >>>> Advising people on how to fix it, or how to confirm what they read, is a >>>> waste of time. The crucial part of getting news is to somehow find some >>>> trustworthy sources, and start from there. I don't agree with the spin on >>>> everything in the NY Times but I fully believe that, for reasons of the >>>> personal integrity of the journalists and also to protect their bottom >>>> line, they are never going to invent things that they print. >>>> /rant off >>>> >>>> paul czyzewski >>>> >>>> * if there was a way for me to just see my friends' family photos on >>>> facebook; ie, no news, and also no "vital" links passed on my well-meaning >>>> friends, I'd probably start looking at it again. But I think that there is >>>> (deliberately) no way to filter it that way. >>>> >>>> ** I once gave twitter what I thought was a fair test. There >>>> were tsunami warnings in Hawaii so I used some filter -- I don't know if >>>> it's still exists or not -- to watch a stream of tweets about that, >>>> real-time. Instead of the hoped-for "I see the wave entering the harbor; >>>> small boats are being overturned," I saw tweets on the order of "The news >>>> reported that, 30 minutes ago, the waves were twenty miles away." >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jeff Johnson via cpsr-activists list < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This article argues that “The Social Dilemma” movie is overblown: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200928/11452045401/social-dilemma-manipulates-you-with-misinformation-as-it-tries-to-warn-you-manipulation-misinformation.shtml >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> For all list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/cpsr-activists >>>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> [email protected] >>> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >>> [email protected] >>> >>> For all list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/cpsr-activists >>> >> >> >> -- >> Douglas Schuler >> [email protected] >> Twitter: @doug_schuler >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Public Sphere Project >> http://www.publicsphereproject.org/ >> >> Mailing list ~ Collective Intelligence for the Common Good >> * http://lists.scn.org/mailman/listinfo/ci >> <http://lists.scn.org/mailman/listinfo/ci>4cg-announce* >> >> Creating the World Citizen Parliament >> >> http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/creating-the-world-citizen-parliament >> >> Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution >> (project) >> http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv >> <http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/> >> >> Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution >> (book) >> http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=11601 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> [email protected] >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> [email protected] >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/cpsr-activists >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> [email protected] >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> [email protected] >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/cpsr-activists >> >
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