I started on this list while working on an Internet Freedom
project in West Africa. Currently I am looking at implementing
systems that support collective action combined with
distributed meta-data that allows them to have a common
ground-truth. These tools leverage much of the existing
anonymization infrastructure.
Most of my target groups are in the developing world.
Part of the motivation for my implementations is to
find ways to avoid the increasing convergence
of industry and government on the continuous surveillance
of individuals. I do not see that leading to a desirable
state of affairs.
On 4/22/24 14:32, Chris Riley wrote:
Thanks Kate. Adding my $0.02 to this. I joined this list more than a
decade ago when I was at the U.S. State Department on the Internet
freedom team, a time when I also wrote this piece
<https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2262055> for a
special edition IEEE Censorship and Control, about internet governance
as a complex system. I've worn a lot of hats since then, but my work has
shifted towards a different paradigm shift than the one Kaiser notes
(his being quite valid, and I don't mean to distract or detract!): from
the JP Barlow's skepticism of government's ability to do really anything
that matters in the tech space, to a world where we can see the impact
of regulation on technology development and use clearly not only in
China, but in western democracies (especially but not only Europe). I
start from the position that regulation, while flawed, is nevertheless
inevitable and not inherently bad, and thus have steered my career
towards helping its implementation phase to be 1) effective and 2)
pro-human empowerment. And as I watch democratic elections in the vast
majority of the democratic world on the horizon this year, I see an
opportunity to establish a global narrative, less framed on liberation
and more on empowerment, which I see as the next step - not to say that
we're liberated yet (we never will be entirely) but rather that
liberation without empowerment is at best fragile, if not illusory.
I'll look forward to learning from and engaging with this group more
along that journey!
Chris
mchrisriley.com <http://mchrisriley.com>
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 10:42 AM kaiser kuo <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks, Kate, for stepping up to revive this effort — and for the
low-key shout-out!
I've written and spoken quite a bit on the seemingly sudden swing
from the politically techno-utopian idea still present in this
listserv's name to the techno-pessimism that seems so pervasive in
discourse on the relationship between technology and authoritarian
politics. We've gone, as I've often said, from believing that the
spread of digital technology sounded the death knell for
authoritarian governments to believing instead that tech is the
loyal handmaiden of authoritarians, who've become adept at using
them to suppress dissent and other nefarious ends. To an extent, I
get why this has happened — the failure of the later color
revolutions and the Arab Spring, when we too-eagerly appended the
names of various American social media products to these revolutions
(the "Twitter Revolution," the "YouTube Revolution," the "Facebook
Revolution"); the Snowden revelations about Prism; Russian meddling
and Macedonian troll farms; Cambridge Analytica, etc). I suppose
some humility about it was needed, but have we (i.e. the national or
"Western" conversation) overcorrected? I'd be curious to hear from
list members with experience in different geographies to get their
sense of how things have played out in the last decade. I put the
inflection point at roughly 2016: that's when I started sensing the
dramatic narrative shift.
And I'm curious whether people think that's related to, or
completely independent from, another narrative shift that seems to
have been simultaneous when it comes, specifically, to China: At
about that same moment, the narrative went from this disparagement
of China's ability to innovate (blaming, in most cases, the lack of
free information flows and academic freedom, and positing a
relationship between innovation and political freedom) to a
pervasive sense that China was out-innovating the U.S. and was an
unstoppable juggernaut ready to eat our lunch. Obviously this
latter narrative continues and has been made worse in recent years.
Thanks! Once again, Kate, thanks for your efforts!!
- Kaiser
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:51 PM Lorelei Kelly
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
hi, thanks for the note.
I'm glad to see this list momentum effort! We need it!
I lead the modernizing Congress portfolio at Georgetown and I'm
still working adjacent to the US Congress with the members and
committees who are behind this effort-- The House has passed 202
reform and modernization recommendations. It is truly an
unprecedented and historic push forward. I'm now helping
implement the more difficult ones that include a social cohesion
aspect. (i.e. how to we integrate new forms of deliberative
technology into the workflow of members so there is a flow of
authentic, productive, constituent driven feedback) Also we
have gotten ahead of the curve on AI and LLMs in the House at
least. I'm proud of this old institution, even though its
looking like a three ring circus in the news. I think the Mike
Johnson success on Ukraine funding is a very interesting turning
point for looking at democracy as transcendent critical
infrastructure (backed up by pandemic measures to go remote and
then J6 reactions to look at the information systems on Capitol
Hill as national security priorities) We have begun to
marginalize deviant behavior through the process and this is a
good, emergent, systems way to make sense of it.
Very interesting time for all of this.
LK
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:19 PM Kate Krauss <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi!
We didn't move the list, or change its name (Liberation
Tech) but we did supply a link which works (after fixing a
technical glitch) that you can share with new people who
might want to join.
Cheers,
Kate
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:12 PM Undescribed Horrific Abuse,
One Victim & Survivor of Many <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > Hi, I’m confused, what about the list this email
was sent to ([email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>) ?
> >
> > What does the “subscribe” link in this email have
to do with that list?
> >
> > Is it a different list? The same list? Is
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> still alive or
being moved?
> >
> > Very confused,
> > Greg
>
> I'd like to relate that some communities have been
both disrupted and
> defended by influences skilled in social
manipulation, and that one
> attribute of that is changing the environment.
>
> Changing an environment can help change, whether
overt or covert, be
> adopted more readily. It can separate both from harm
and fear as well
> as familiarity and community.
>
> It's pleasant that changing the list name could help
people feel safer
> from any trauma associated with the old list, and
help anything
> targeting the old list have a little trouble finding
the new people.
>
> I hope that everybody who was affiliated with the old
list succeeds in
> finding the new one, but I know there will be people
who don't.
>
> Some communities often have to move in order to
survive well. This
> does sadly often mean leaving people behind.
>
> Crazy Karl (I think I have OSDD from
technologically-facilitated abuse!)
Apologies, I did not realize it was the _same_ list the
subscribe link
was sent to.
I had assumed by context that this was a new list.
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