Hello Frank I do disagree with several of the points your making, however you make great points. If someone did only include "5" apps, well I imagine its ease would go right out the window. And you are right, these guys have spend a great deal of time, making small changes to packages already available, and give you some programs that they have created. Distros have gave the comunity some nice "ease of use programs" such as linuxconfig, diskdrake (and the many other drakes) among others. These guys have also done some great under hood changes. Red Hat has been a key respondent to PAM, and have improved many libraries, and xfree86, ive really yet to see some really improved speed implemenations though. If you look at programming, do you have any idea how messy it is to hard code values inside your program, such as a path? This is bad, and i mean really bad coding, linux has to put symlinks every which direction, just because programs arn't dynamic. Well, if you ever decide that is just abit nasty to you, look to us, we have a great deal of it in place. When you have an image that slows down your program because you wanted it beautiful, is it fair to the user? why have and image in kb, when it should be in bytes, why have all these images floating around when it is much more dynamic to look in a library. I wan't talking about implementing dll's, i was talking about icl's. Image Libraries, which the technology is already there, just nobody wanted to invest the time to use it.
Also, distros all have their ideas, "i want something this way, or that", well we arn't inventing something to make it harder for a person. Microsoft has this great idea called "zero admin" well, linux is the furthest you can get from that. Im not going to ask the stupid question "is everyone so againt microsoft that they want linux hard to use where microsoft is easy?" no, it just hasn't went there yet. With use, to start a new service, you just put a link in a directory, to have an item in a menu, you just put it in a directory, we have in mind later a nice config feature, that just pulls all its info from a config directory, is as powerful as you make it, and unlike windows registry, no nasty 1 point of failure. To convert windows/mac/beos/* users you need it to be a heck of a lot easier underneath the deck before you going to get major changeover. You also need to try to get some well known apps that arn't on linux to join aboard. I never said that i didn't have a company in the first place. Maybe we only have to train tech support, because we already have the support, oh my we also pay developers... scary. Also maybe another person is right in this, that linux and unix is to broke to fix, and that we should work with something else, maybe thats right, well see, but i think linux is healthy, if misdirected under the hood. Lastly above hood, it isnt about creating a new package manager, like sorcerer (they guy that said that was right, it is weird). Nor is it about denying people programs, we just dont think its right to have 3 of each in an initial build, if you don't like the default one, put another in, we'll still even suport it, 3 is just stupid as a default. Regards Exavier Scott --- Frank Van Damme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 04 May 2002 05:56 am, david scott wrote: > > The easiest way to say this, because a lot of the > > things that will happen are needed. Yes, it is > true > > that a lot of distros start out with good ideas, > > however there are many reasons why a distro can > fail. > > One of the biggest is financial backing. Linux is > a > > set of great ideas, however, a lot of people when > it > > comes to programming, support, whatever. Are just > > that, nice ideas. Many aspects of things that I > talk > > about are simplicities. However there is a > serious > > reason why I talk about them. Mainly we are going > to > > do this becuase in aspects Linux is a great OS. > > Financial backing? No, just the inability (with or > without financial backing) > to make a full-size quality distribution with > regular updates, neatly > packages packages, installation routines, config > tools etc. etc. These mean > *hundreds* of men-years. You will just never be able > to offer what > distributions like suse, redhat, mandrake and > certainly not debian ;) are > delivering now, with their coherent, up to date and > sizeable set of programs. > People using thin clients don't just use the 4 or 5 > apps you are able to > delier them. *choice* there must be. Moreover I > think people should be free > to choose the distro they take for their "thick" > machine. > > So, I realy see no point in YALD (yet another linux > distro). DON'T DO IT! > > > However it does some things wrong. I will be > flamed > > for this(most likely) but Some things Micro.. has > done > > right. such as embeded images in libraries, and > much > > more image compression levels than linux. Images > in > > Linux right nor are just eye candy. They are not > > functional. Not only that but as I had mentioned > > libraries, we are not recreating many of the > > libraries, but implementing better library > linking, > > making it so libaries are able to be found easier > > between the programs. > > OT I think ;) And it seems *really* ugly to me to > put images in libraries. > Why have a dll full of icons if you can have > separate image files? I can > imagine it giving problems on a MS platform, because > small files will take up > a lot of hd space with their filesystems :-) > > > A major thing you said was don't rewrite the > wheel, > > and in many areas we will not, and I imagine that > > several things, unfortunatly will be a copy of the > > various distros. However many of the things > > implemented will help speed things up greatly. > > Of the greatest things that we will have, where I > > really shoudn't talk about our distro is, > services. > > System Integrators, that can help people set up > their > > Network, and a decent sized support staff. Email, > > phone, and on-site help will be available. (well > > on-site for a time in a radius.) We already work > > with, are are in talks with some large people in > our > > area, for more support, and will continue to try > to > > get more people what will increase the use. Good > > answer? > > You're founding a company now? :-) > > > Frank > > -- > homepage: www.student.kuleuven.ac.be/~m9917684 > jabber (=IM): [EMAIL PROTECTED] > No part of this copyright message may be reproduced, > read or seen, > dead or alive or by any means, including but not > limited to telepathy > without the benevolence of the author. > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for > download mirrors. We supply > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. 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