True.  I don't think AGP and EDO coexisted much, if at all.

It's been a while (couple years) since I've looked at high-end video
cards, but there was a time that one could find PCI versions of some of
the latest cards.  Perhaps no longer...

A 16MB video card might actually just do the trick for a system with
16MB in SIMMS already.  LTSP isn't reliable with 16MB, but is rock solid
with 32MB (X isn't *that* bad).  So, leaving 4MB to actual video and
giving the remaining 12MB to the system as swap brings you to 28MB
effective "RAM".  Not bad...  :-)

I agree, though, that this would be a possibility for only a fraction of
a percent of the LTSP community.

Jason


On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 21:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> I saw that article, and found it interesting as well.
> 
> But, aren't the EDO simms rather old technology ?  And,
> if you've got an older motherboard that requires EDO
> memory, then you probably don't have an AGP slot for
> a fancy video card.  You're not likely to find
> an nvidia PCI card.
> 
> You probably could find an ATI PCI card with 8 or 16mb of ram,
> but that doesn't make a great swap device, as it's rather
> small.
> 
> So, maybe there is some application for this vram usage in LTSP,
> but I think it will be  really small number of people who can
> actually take advantage of it.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Jason Bechtel wrote:
> 
> > You're all probably avid Slashdot readers like me and have or will soon 
> > see this article:
> > 
> > <http://slashdot.org/articles/02/09/02/2321211.shtml?tid=137>
> > 
> > which links to this article:
> > 
> > <http://hedera.linuxnews.pl/_news/2002/09/03/_long/1445.html>
> > 
> > which details how to map your unused video RAM as a usable memory space 
> > (MTD = Memory Technology Device) under Linux w/ XFree86.
> > 
> > Of course, I immediately thought of the LTSP!  I've had several 
> > occasions where I had an older machine that only took expensive EDO 
> > SIMMS which one had to special order and had an onboard video card that 
> > either didn't play well with Linux or didn't have enough VRAM.
> > 
> > With this technique, I could avoid having to buy SIMMS for the thing 
> > (16MB just isn't enough for LTSP with X) and just buy a higher end 
> > graphics card with a bunch of memory and use it as swap!  The VRAM swap 
> > would be a hell of a lot faster than local hard disk or NFS swapping... 
> >   It would be almost like adding that RAM directly to the system!
> > 
> > In this situation I could also have used the otherwise ignored VRAM 
> > associated with the onboard video card as additional swap...
> > 
> > The process described could be automated to some degree and reduced to a 
> > simple LTSP variable, VRAM_SWAP.  :-)
> > 
> > Jason




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