Dear all

 i had setup an LTSP server with ten thin clients with customised gnome
and kde desktop giving them access only to browser,messengers and media
player. Following are the problems 

1) when a client logs out with specifying logout option in menu,either
by Ctrl+Alt +backspace or by switching off thin client, the user  is not
able to logon thereafter . After typing the username , we get a blank
blue screen . Suddenly after this, all the thin clients hangs up. But
server works fine and i am able to login as root from the clients and
also from the server. From the server, again, i am able to login as
users.
the error message shown in /var/log/message is 

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Jul  4 15:04:11 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.204 to
00:80:48:27:ce:8b via eth0
Jul  4 15:04:11 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from
ws006:691 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) 
Jul  4 15:04:12 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from
ws006:793 for /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles (/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles) 
Jul  4 15:04:13 ws006 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.1
(2001.09.28-01:12+0000)
Jul  4 15:04:19 ws006 devfsd[111]: Caught SIGHUP 
Jul  4 15:04:19 ws006 devfsd[111]: read config file: "/etc/devfsd.conf" 
Jul  4 15:04:19 ws006 init: Entering runlevel: 2
Jul  4 15:04:19 ws006 init: Switching to runlevel: 5
Jul  4 15:04:23 localhost gdm(pam_unix)[13466]: session closed for user
r522
Jul  4 15:04:23 localhost gdm[3490]: (child 13466)
gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting ws006:0
Jul  4 15:04:31 localhost gdm(pam_unix)[13526]: check pass; user unknown
Jul  4 15:04:31 localhost gdm(pam_unix)[13526]: authentication failure;
logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws006:0 ruser=gdm rhost=ws006 
Jul  4 15:04:34 localhost gdm-binary[13526]: Couldn't authenticate user
Jul  4 15:04:36 localhost gdm(pam_unix)[13526]: check pass; user unknown
Jul  4 15:04:36 localhost gdm(pam_unix)[13526]: authentication failure;
logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws006:0 ruser=gdm rhost=ws006 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@


and the session error of the corresponding user is 


@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

SESSION_MANAGER=local/southpark:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3678
Unable to open desktop file
applications:///Accessories/redhat-print.desktop for panel launcher:
Error reading file 'applications:///Accessories/redhat-print.desktop':
File not found
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display "ws006:0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display "ws006:0.0".
opera: [java] Disabling java due to potential problems. If you know
       what you are doing, you can set the environment variable
       OPERA_FORCE_JAVA_ENABLED to '1' to override this.
       Start Opera with '-debugjava' argument for more information.

########################################################################



 2) Once the above error appears, i need to restart the server and
things are fine. But the problem keeps on repeating. Is there any
problem on running mplayer in thin clients. whether it will take more
resources? Is there any good video player that is thin and can be used
with LTSP? 


3) The hardware configuration is 
Pentium III with 1 GB of RAM  and the clients
and Intel 845 Celeron boards with 128 MB RAM.
Whether it will help if i increase the RAM in server and in clients?

4) I had tried this setup only with redhat. Whether it will help me to
run the setup without problem in DEbian 3 or suse 9.1? Is there any
distro in which LTSP runs better .



Please help.



Thanks in Advance


Narayanan S

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   1. Re: Artsd - 'Permission denied' (Jean-Claude Duhamel)
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   7. Re: x0rfb or x11vnc as local app? (Jason A. Pattie)
   8. sis_drv.o problems on LTSP 4 (Jonathan Gill)
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 23:43:42 -0400
From: Jean-Claude Duhamel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Artsd - 'Permission denied'

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Got the ltspcfg fix from a June 22nd mail and add the

'$ENV{LANGUAGE}="en_EN:en";' line and now ltspcfg is running succesfully 
without any parsing error.

I was using the search tool of the mailing list and missed this one.

It would be nice to have it integrated in a ltspcfg_0.6 lets say.

Still waiting for someone to help me in the /dev/sound/dsp ownership.

Thanks in advance anyone.


Jean-Claude Duhamel a �crit :
> Hi all ;
> 
> Flowers :
> 
> Congratulations to all deeply involved in this project, it got 2003 
> awards and believe it will get 2004 too, including mine :
> I'm still amazed to get a full KDE Desktop running in 30 sec. on a 
> PentiumMMX with 48M RAM. I'm even working to bring it to 3D.
> 
> Missing links =>
> 
> Sound :
> 
> Got LTSP4 installed on MDK9.2 and I ran into those artsd :'/dev/dsp, 
> permission denied' . Got info from June archives about it and chose to 
> use the more secure way of users in audio group solutions :
> 
> - MDK9.2 puts a symbolic for /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer to /dev/sound/dsp 
> and mixer respectively belonging to the audio group defacto. A local 
> user takes onwership of those files at login without assigning users in 
> /etc/group.
> 
> - As a thin client that same user doesn't take ownership and root remain 
> the owner. Getting no output from 'who' for that login. That should be 
> the permission denied reason.I have activated network for artsd and esd 
> works properly on the client with 'sb module' loaded and confirmed by 
> 'esdctl -s client:16001 allinfo' . Of course not getting tcp SYN:16001 
> capture from the server with tcpdump.
> 
> ltspcfg 0.5 :
> 
> Not usable on a French install of MDK9.2 . Double checked that 'LANG=C' 
> was present for 'ifconfig' .
> 
> =>
> 
> Why MDK9.2 ? More French for us and still rely on stable 2.4 kernel.
> 
> My contributions to this project could be tranlating docs as soon as I 
> get more knowledged. Our local schoolboard is going with Linux Thin 
> Client in a Megalink WAN network. Will check if it is going to be LTSP.
> 
> While ltspcfg is not a major for me as I go manual, sound is a must for 
> my kids.
> 
> Anyone can work with me on this ?
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Message: 2
From: qeldroma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:26:11 +0200
Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Is it normal, that i need to restart the server every 3 days??

I've got only a small LTSP (4 Clients), but i do have to restart the server 
every 2-5 days!!
Why? After this period of time, i get "Too many retransmissions", and the 
clients can't connect.

I read the FAQ, where this problem is "solved" via a cronjob, but i am not 
really satisfied with this:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#kill old leftover processes - all of them
users=$(awk -F":" '{if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd | grep -v -e smb 
-e ^nfs )
for user in $users do#kill old leftover processes - all of them
users=$(awk -F":" '{if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd | grep -v -e smb 
-e ^nfs )
for user in $users do


        processes=$(ps -ef | grep ^"$user " | grep -e Jan[0-9] -e Feb[0-9]
-e Mar[0-9] -e Apr[0-9] -e May[0-9] -e Jun[0-9] -e Jul[0-9] -e Aug[0-9] -e 
Sep[0-9] -e Oct[0-9] -e Nov[0-9] -e Dec[0-9] |awk '{print $2}')


        for process in $processes
        do
                kill -9 $process
        done

done
        processes=$(ps -ef | grep ^"$user " | grep -e Jan[0-9] -e Feb[0-9]
        -e Mar[0-9] -e Apr[0-9] -e May[0-9] -e Jun[0-9] -e Jul[0-9] -e Aug[0-9] -e
        Sep[0-9] -e Oct[0-9] -e Nov[0-9] -e Dec[0-9] |awk '{print $2}')
        for process in $processes
        do
                kill -9 $process
        done
done
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

WHY are theese processes leftover? And which processes are killed exactly with 
this script? EVERY process? Am i right?

And if yes, what can i do, if i want a terminalserver that runs 24 hours? 
Because then, i can't kill all processes in between, i would kill active 
users in that moment...

So, how can i solve this professionally for a 24h/7d-Server?


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:50:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: qeldroma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Is it normal, that i need to restart the server
 every 3 days??

qeldroma,

where are you seeing that error message ?

I've got servers that run for many months between reboots, and i'm NOT
running that cron job.

What version of Linux are you running on the server ?

How much Ram ?


Also, it looks like you double-pasted that script below.  It doesn't
make sense the way you have it.

Jim McQuillan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, qeldroma wrote:

> I've got only a small LTSP (4 Clients), but i do have to restart the server 
> every 2-5 days!!
> Why? After this period of time, i get "Too many retransmissions", and the 
> clients can't connect.
> 
> I read the FAQ, where this problem is "solved" via a cronjob, but i am not 
> really satisfied with this:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> #kill old leftover processes - all of them
> users=$(awk -F":" '{if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd | grep -v -e smb 
> -e ^nfs )
> for user in $users do#kill old leftover processes - all of them
> users=$(awk -F":" '{if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd | grep -v -e smb 
> -e ^nfs )
> for user in $users do
> 
> 
>         processes=$(ps -ef | grep ^"$user " | grep -e Jan[0-9] -e Feb[0-9]
> -e Mar[0-9] -e Apr[0-9] -e May[0-9] -e Jun[0-9] -e Jul[0-9] -e Aug[0-9] -e 
> Sep[0-9] -e Oct[0-9] -e Nov[0-9] -e Dec[0-9] |awk '{print $2}')
> 
> 
>         for process in $processes
>         do
>                 kill -9 $process
>         done
> 
> done
>         processes=$(ps -ef | grep ^"$user " | grep -e Jan[0-9] -e Feb[0-9]
>       -e Mar[0-9] -e Apr[0-9] -e May[0-9] -e Jun[0-9] -e Jul[0-9] -e Aug[0-9] -e
>       Sep[0-9] -e Oct[0-9] -e Nov[0-9] -e Dec[0-9] |awk '{print $2}')
>         for process in $processes
>         do
>                 kill -9 $process
>         done
> done
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> WHY are theese processes leftover? And which processes are killed exactly with 
> this script? EVERY process? Am i right?
> 
> And if yes, what can i do, if i want a terminalserver that runs 24 hours? 
> Because then, i can't kill all processes in between, i would kill active 
> users in that moment...
> 
> So, how can i solve this professionally for a 24h/7d-Server?
> 
> 
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Message: 4
From: qeldroma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Is it normal, that i need to restart the server every 3 
days??
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:05:23 +0200

Am Montag, 5. Juli 2004 13:50 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> qeldroma,
> where are you seeing that error message ?
On the client, of course ;-)

> I've got servers that run for many months between reboots, and i'm NOT
> running that cron job.
Unbelievable for me..

> What version of Linux are you running on the server ?
Mandrake 9.2

> How much Ram ?
512 MB

> Also, it looks like you double-pasted that script below.  It doesn't
> make sense the way you have it.
Oh yes, i did, sorry about that.
Here again the "normal" one:

> > #kill old leftover processes - all of them
> > users=$(awk -F":" '{if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd | grep -v -e
> > smb -e ^nfs )
> > for user in $users do#kill old leftover processes - all of them
> > users=$(awk -F":" '{if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd | grep -v -e
> > smb -e ^nfs )
> > for user in $users do
> >   processes=$(ps -ef | grep ^"$user " | grep -e Jan[0-9] -e Feb[0-9] -e 
> >   Mar[0-9] -e Apr[0-9] -e May[0-9] -e Jun[0-9] -e Jul[0-9] -e Aug[0-9] -e 
> >   Sep[0-9] -e Oct[0-9] -e Nov[0-9] -e Dec[0-9] |awk '{print > > $2}')  
> >         for process in $processes
> >         do
> >                 kill -9 $process
> >         done
> > done
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >---

I have enabled deleting of the /tmp-partition on startup and am pretty sure, 
that this solves my problem while restarting.
So there must be a dependency between /tmp and the different servers (KDM, 
XFS).

Greets, qd


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:38:26 +0200
From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] sound again

Hi,
Sorry to be a PITA, but after a day and a half of RTFMing I still don't 
understand why sound is coming out of the server instead of the client. 
So far, only esdplay produces sound on the client. Totem and others 
produce sound on the server only.
This is LTSP-4 and Mandrake-10. What's even more annoying is that it was 
working OK on Mdk-9.2 before I upgraded.
TIA,
Andrew



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernhard_P=F6ttinger?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:31:10 +0200
Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] (no subject)

Hi,

i am using ltsp 4, and i need rdesktop 1.3 working. i have only found 
the ltsp-rdesktop-1.2 package. has anybody a rdesktop 1.3 package? - 
please send me.

best regards
bernhard



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:36:59 -0500
From: "Jason A. Pattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Dieter Kroemer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] x0rfb or x11vnc as local app?

Dieter Kroemer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> does anybody work with the x0rfbserver or x11vnc as local app?

You might want to take a look at xf4vnc.sourceforge.net as well.

-- 
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Message: 8
From: Jonathan Gill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: SecureCiRT Pte Ltd
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:47:08 +0800
Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] sis_drv.o problems on LTSP 4

Hi all,

I am in the process of upgrading from a LTSP 3 system to LTSP 4 and Im
seeing some problems with 2 of my clients.

Under LTSP3 the clients boot fine, no problems at all, but with LTSP4 im
seeing problems very similar to Adrian Kuepkers
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=108852868618909&w=2) IE
sis_drv.o is unresolved.

Is there a problem with X and the SIS530 video cards? 

Any insights or hints, very much appreciated.

Thanks

Jonathan
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:52:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: Marko NIINIMAKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] it is possible to replace xdmcp with something
 else?


I wrote:

> .. xdmcp uses udp and the udp packets prob won't get back to
> MyClient. Thus, I get the gray X screen but no login prompt.
> 
> So, is there another way of implementing login? For instance
> running ssh to invoke some kind of login in the ltsp server?

Seemingly yes. If you make the client give you a text console,
you can type ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/gnome-session

What would be an easy option to create an X11 dialog for the
user so that he could type in his user id and the system could
then launch ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/gnome-session
for him?

Marko



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:04:28 -0500
From: Ken Cobler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernhard_P=F6ttinger?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
 LTSP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] (no subject)

Bernhard P�ttinger wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i am using ltsp 4, and i need rdesktop 1.3 working. i have only found 
> the ltsp-rdesktop-1.2 package. has anybody a rdesktop 1.3 package? - 
> please send me.
>
> best regards
> bernhard
>
>

Just download the source code from rdesktop.org and compile it.  Put the 
executable in the /opt/... LTSP bin directory.  There might be one 
library that you need to copy to the LTSP lib directory.

Ken Cobler


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Message: 11
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Is it normal, that i need to restart the server
        every 3 days??
From: Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:26:26 +0530

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:35, qeldroma wrote:
[SNIP]
> > How much Ram ?
> 512 MB
This is low. 

[SNIP]
> I have enabled deleting of the /tmp-partition on startup and am pretty sure, 
> that this solves my problem while restarting.
> So there must be a dependency between /tmp and the different servers (KDM, 
> XFS).
Why dont you run "df" to see if /tmp runs out of space. If it does then you need to 
see the files thatare generated to make it full and solve the problem. I have server 
running 90+ days too
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Learning Linux




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