On 2/18/2017 4:23 PM, David Carlisle wrote:
On 18 February 2017 at 15:12, Hans Hagen <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/18/2017 3:13 PM, David Carlisle wrote:
there is a full (plain TeX) example and screenshots in a (non)answer
on stackexchange
http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/354485
but in brief:
\left| T \right|
has a kern between the T and the right hand | matching the kern in |T|
if tfm fonts are used in luatex or xetex or pdftex
but if Opentype Latin modern is used
xetex shows the kern but luatex has no kern once \right or \Uright are
used, but does still show the kern with |T|.
I'm not sure if this is a luatex or luaotfload issue?
It's a font issue ... try pagella or so ... latin modern has old math font
like properties so it has char boundingboxes / widths that assume that
italic correction is added.
For opentype fonts luatex doesn't use the traditional 8 bit font code path.
Early versions had a kind of hybrid but that failed miserably when more
opentype mathfonts came around and messy heuristics were dropped in favour
of separate code paths (not even lua magic could beat that so i dropped most
of that kind of hackery from context). Kerns have similar issues as opentype
has staircase kerns.
I can of course add a pseudo feature to the font loader that adds italic to
the width for fonts that need that. I might also cook up some magic related
to fences but again it's a macro package issue then.
The best solution is proper fonts.
Hans
Hmm not unreasonable from an engine point of view but that still
leaves the users coming to us and us (me at least) not knowing what to
do..
If you add something to the font loader could you ping us so we know
to use it in latex, or ...
i'll add
italicwidths=yes
but it's up to PG to pick up that pseudo feature in his derived loader
for latex
I suppose what you are really saying is that best would be a
latin-modern-math-without-legacy-metric-weirdness.otf.
Is it clear what would be need to be done to make such a thing? (is it
a systematic re-adjustment of italic correction and widths for
example?)
i think cleaning up the font metrics and kerning of lm is on the gyre
teams agenda (there are some more issues)
if it is systematic could it be done via the luatex virtual font
feature rather than actually making a new OTF font?
sure that how the above does it (a typical implemented in 10 minute
trick that i then wonder about if i remember it's there in a few years)
Not asking for actual code (at this point:-) just bouncing thoughts.....
Hans
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