WEBMIN. No where near the simple elegance of linuxconf, but my "in
between" friend will be webmin. It has certainly helped me figure out
what I didn't know to do on my debian box. Hopefully the user shock
will push redhat to replace linuxconf with something.
scott
On Monday, May 6, 2002, at 02:23 AM, Warren Togami wrote:
Jeff Mings wrote:
I just checked a Rawhide mirror and noticed that linuxconf is still
not there. Anyone know if a unified cli-mode configuration tool has
been selected to replace Linuxconf in RH 7.3? We discussed this
previously, but I keep hoping that something will show up for the
command line.
-Jeff
There is none. This is the single greatest thing that angers me about
Red Hat's latest distro. The improvements in server services and
choices (via alternatives) in RH 7.3 make it better than ever, but Red
Hat seems to refuse to acknowledge that their configuration tools as a
whole are terrible.
* There is no consistency between the CLI and GUI tools
* The GUI tools themselves are fairly good, but some have no viable
equivalents in CLI... like user manager and networking.
* The single greatest annoyance of the CLI tools are the network config
tools. There is currently no way of setting a secondary DNS, and the
only way to configure IP aliases or interfaces other than eth0 is to
know about a hidden command line option for "netconfig". You can't
choose or edit the network interface kernel driver either.
* Yes I am aware of the configuration files, but this is too much to
expect from the average administrator that Red Hat hopes that they rely
entirely on up2date to keep maintain their servers. Requiring them to
edit config files also scares the heck out of potential new
administrators.
* While the CLI "setup" options are fairly well laid out, the
equivalent menus in GUI are somewhat haphazardly thrown together. As a
result, the correct tool that you are looking for is somewhat difficult
to find. I am talking about within both KDE and to a lesser degree
Gnome.
What Red Hat really needs is something similar to DrakConf of the
latest Mandrake release. THAT is what I feel is a powerful
configuration framework for several reasons.
* Consistent interface and options between GUI and CLI. All options
that exist in GUI also exist in CLI.
* All options in once place, put into mostly reasonable categories.
Within DrakConf it is NOT difficult to find what you're looking for,
unlike Red Hat's configurators within KDE and to a lesser degree Gnome.
* /var/log/explanations logs all changes made by DrakConf. This is not
only useful to know about changes, but very beneficial for
administrators in learning the *real* way of configuring their systems.
While I have a tremendous respect for Red Hat and I use exclusively Red
Hat servers and desktops, I have great worries about the ease of use,
functionality and organization of their configuration tools. I do hope
that they follow the good example of DrakConf and address these issues
in near future for Red Hat 8.0.
Heck, I'm willing to help code such a project if necessary. I feel it
is that important, because it is one of the current greatest weaknesses
of the Red Hat distro.
Warren Togami
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