SureWest, in the Sacramento area of California, charges $259.95
for a symmetrical 50M Internet connection. Verizon currently
lists 30/15
as its fastest regularly available for $159.95 (although it hints
that a 50/20 service might be available in some areas). That
price is for
month-to-month; lower prices, are available for one-year terms or
when combined with video services.
taking the hindmost... Hawaii...
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From: "Savage, Christopher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: January 28, 2008 5:18:04 PM HST
To: "Economics of IP Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Arch-econ] Postponing the Internet Cafe Dream
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This reminds me of an analysis I did a year or so back for the
Wyoming Telecommunications Council.
I think I figured out that you could link a POP in all the towns in
Wyoming with > 1000 people with fiber back to a point well on the
way to the "real" Internet in Denver (I think I took it to Cheyenne)
for something like $55 million in cap-ex. Which is less than 1/10
of what Wyoming spends annually on brick-and-mortar (ok, asphalt &
concrete) roads.
My "business model," such as it was, was that between cable and DSL
there was plenty of activity at the local connectivity level; the
problem was feeding all those local POPs with "real" Internet
connectivity.
There really seems to be a pump priming issue here, or something.
Chris S.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rollie Cole
Sent: Mon 1/28/2008 10:03 PM
To: Economics of IP Networks
Subject: Re: [Arch-econ] Postponing the Internet Cafe Dream
I am reminded of two things I have mentioned on the list before:
1. The St. Joe Valley Metronet was organized because Notre Dame's
lowest bid (in South Bend IN) for Internet connectivity was an order
of magnitude higher than Northwestern's highest bid (in Chicago IL).
Sometimes, for some things, big cities are cheaper..... Notre Dame
joined with the city and a major hospital to create its own ring
(actually 5 of them) and then put the whole thing out to bid and got a
much, much better deal. But no FTTH as of yet.
2. Our friends in British Columbia have learned that they get a much
better deal on connections back to Vancouver or Seattle if they first
put together the community network and then bid it as a whole, rather
than having individual firms, let alone individuals, try to connect
alone.
I was hoping to repeat the idea on a much smaller scale (say 9 friends
and me), but at the moment, in my city, the economics do not scale
down that far. But technology and economics IMHO continue to march in
the right direction, so maybe someday.....
Rollie
On Jan 28, 2008 9:14 PM, Tom Hertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
. . . is it not a shame that no one can find the money for the
commons back bone that would have allowed community networks to
get to
these big city peering points cheaply?
Stay tuned . . .
Tom Hertz
Fiberutilities Group, LLC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
605.660.5884
On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Gordon Cook wrote:
well tom is it not a shame that no one can find the money for the
commons back bone that would have allowed community networks to
get to
these big city peering points cheaply?
Folk involved on all sides of that proposal will be at the cook-in
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On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Tom Hertz wrote:
Prices in big metro's at a POP are under $20/Mb for Internet for
most
everyone buying at per Gb ports; getting to a POP is easy and cheap
for carriers (including the small rural ones). Some larger buys
are
under $10/Mb. And op-ex costs are "not so much." Very profitable
business this is.
Tom Hertz
Fiberutilities Group, LLC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
605.660.5884
On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Rollie Cole wrote:
Well, I finally got a call back from Indiana Fiber Network
relative
to
my dream of a "private Internet cafe without the coffee" for my
neighbors and me. I can have a symmetrical 100 Mbps connection to
the
Internet, virtually anywhere in the city of Indianapolis that I
want,
for a mere $8,000/month. If I can live with 25 Mbps, the price is
only
$4,000/month. Sounds like T1 prices of a few years ago.
On the other hand, the Glasgow, KY system that will charge $300/
month
for a point-to-point 100 Mbps, wants $175/MB/month for Internet
connectivity, which for 100 Mbps Internet would be $17,500 (plus
$300
of course). I wonder if some arbitrage might work -- how many
$300/month local-to-local sites could share one Internet
connection,
both physically and legally?
SureWest, in the Sacramento area of California, charges $259.95
for a
symmetrical 50M Internet connection. Verizon currently lists 30/15
as
its fastest regularly available for $159.95 (although it hints
that a
50/20 service might be available in some areas). That price is for
month-to-month; lower prices, are available for one-year terms or
when
combined with video services.
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None of these are close to European or Asian prices, of course.
But
the Indianapolis deal shows how far we have to go. Sigh......
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5315 Washington Blvd
Indianapolis, IN 46220-3062
317-727-8940
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