Blueprint changed by Walter Lapchynski: Whiteboard changed: [wxl] It looks like 14.04.2 is facing some issues that will likely result in Alternate not being released for this milestone. The issues that affect Desktop affect everyone, so the Release Team must fix these. If the same fix doesn't apply to Alternates, though, that creates a problem. The Team will still attempt to fix it, but there's no guarantees. At least with LTS images for folks using Alternate, the HWE stack is probably not necessary, but it illustrates the problem. - Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity) - 1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and that may be asking a lot) - 2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other flavors would be interested? + Two possible solutions were discussed with Adam Conrad (infinity): + 1. netboot/mini.iso (which, of course, requires an Internet connection and that may be asking a lot) + 2. Changing `ubiquity` somehow to minimize resource usage. As an example, making a text-only frontend, but making it part of the project, rather than something separate. Perhaps we could get Server to help out here? Perhaps other flavors would be interested? + + [wxl] gilir (if I may speak for him after we had a private message) is + in support of this cause. He feels `ubiquity` is a very complex piece of + software and would rather not touch it, so that leaves us with + netboot/mini.iso. + + It seems that the issue with LTS is that there is this transition from + tasks to metapackages for X. Changes to tasks don't get picked up on + after release, so metapackages are ultimately the go to solution. Still, + tasks have their value, so the future is uncertain, but we'll likely + continue to have these problems in the future. This cannot be fixed the + same way in desktop as it can in alternate. There's no need to fix it in + server because they don't have X packages. + + So for 14.04.2, we will likely not have any alternates. My concern is + that we'll continue to face this over and over again: wasted testing + time trying to fix something that only we care about. + + On the other hand, mini.iso is not without it's issues: + 1. An internet connection is required. In the 3rd world, a decent internet connection is a luxury, and yet that is likely where Lubuntu is most needed for old machines. + 2. It's terribly unfriendly. Imagine the people that would need it the most. They're the folks with an old XP machine that needs some love. They've never used Linux before. Yeah, they're probably not going to have a fun time. + 3. Ethernet only. + 4. It's possible to build a broken install. + + These are not small issues. In a sense, these are almost worse. So + perhaps we deal with occasionally not having alternates. If it's going + to be an issue, it's likely to be with LTS point releases, and there are + solutions around that. They result in long update times, but that seems + like a much smaller price to pay.
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