This is where I belive i might be of most help, as i have been selling pc's 
with linux on it for a few years now, to complete newbies in linux, in fact 
they have never heard of linux, I have always created my own remix of ubuntu to 
have the apps they require or need, and in fact, only 5 people of the 136 
people who bought pc's ever called asking how to install something, all the 
others have never needed to install anything since it was already included.

Jon York

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:47:55 +0800
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &       

hi all,
I think lubuntu should not meant for geeks only. It should appeal to the mass 
just like ubuntu is for.
As for applications, we should not think too much about the disk space, as disk 
space is not very critical less than cpu and ram nowadays, but it's good to 
keep it below 2 GB after installation ... And before installation, things are 
compressed into livecd, keep it under a livecd rather than livedvd.

We should look at the memory requirements and cpu utilization more than disk 
space.This is what I saw as lightweight.
As for user friendly, normal users should not configure too much out of box. It 
would make the distro unfriendly if the normal users have to configure like 

I know there are lots of geeks thoughts when designing the distro, but we 
should look at the demography of people who will be using it, and which area of 
people should we create the distro for, and also we should think more of the 
mass, rather than ourselves, it's because we are more experience in linux, does 
not mean a normal person who has no experience in linux can think like us.

RegardsJohn Thng
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Glen Bizeau <> wrote:

I agree,

Keep it small and lean, and apt-get anything you need.

The one question I think needs to be answered is " Are we making a

distro for newbies?"

If we are then you will need a bunch of standard default apps... If

not, which I think in my personal experience with Linux and LXDE, this

will probably only be attractive to the more experienced user, who

like myself ends up uninstalling all the crap that comes with Ubuntu

anyway....I think it should be mean and lean and if you want

something, go fetch it.

Synaptic should be front and center though, is a launcher so it's easy

ti find. And maybe a desktop document on the default install

explaining about the distro and why it is what it is, and how to get


my two-cents


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Andrew

Woodhead<> wrote:

> This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard

> repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.

> If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal

> install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the

> repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland

> efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the

> system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully

> installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system

> should be slick and quick


> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby <>

> wrote:


>> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:


>> <discussion of "keep it light" or "feature complete" elided>


>> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between

>> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the

>> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to

>> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.


>> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the

>> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks

>> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the

>> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering

>> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the

>> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.


>> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable

>> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the

>> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or

>> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to

>> install.


>> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have

>> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of

>> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system

>> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user

>> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice

>> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they

>> mean for the final installed system.


>> My $0.02.


>> Cheers

>> C David Rigby



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