2009/9/19 David Sugar <[email protected]> > Julien Lavergne wrote: > > Hi, > > > > For Mplayer / SMplayer, as there is no consensus for switching to > > something else, let's stay with this 2 for Karmic. I'll put them in > > Recommends, so lubuntu-desktop can be installed without this 2. I'll try > > to move Mplayer to universe, but I'm not sure it'll be doable. Let's > > discuss the video player choice after the Karmic release. > >
> Agreed! > > > For the release date, there is 2 choices : > > - Stick with Ubuntu schedule and release/freeze at the same time. This > > could be a solution if we want to release the finished Lubuntu in time > > for Karmic+1. > > - Don't follow this schedule and release after. We can do this, but the > > consequence will be to have separate packages for some components, not > > in sync with Ubuntu official packages and repository. A possibility is > > to use the Lubuntu PPA as an extra repository and publish packages when > > it's done. But we need to deal with maintenance, bug reports etc ... > > As a MOTU, I prefer the solution 1, let's publish a preview for Karmic > > and the "real" Lubuntu for Karmic+1. > > I prefer #1 also by far... > > > For custom installer, I don't like this idea. Because someone need to > > code it, and people can have the same by installing the applications > > they want after the installation of Lubuntu. Most of People using Ubuntu > > and derivate want to have an installation ready "out-of-the-box", they > > don't want to choose between VLC and Mplayer for example. > > If we want to allow the user to customize his installation and keeping > > the core LXDE in place, it's possible to make all "extra" packages > > (Mplayer, Aqualung etc ...) optional, by making them recommends on the > > lubuntu-desktop package. People will be able to remove Mplayer to > > install VLC, and will keep the lubuntu-desktop and so LXDE core packages > > installed. > > We can review moving more things into recommends for this purpose for > Karmic +1. > > > > > Regards, > > Julien Lavergne > > > > Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 12:41 +0800, Mario Behling a écrit : > >> Dear all, > >> > >> I would like to exchange with you some thoughts that came up in an > >> exchange with PCMan concerning using Mplayer, Qt4 and the release date > >> of lubuntu. > >> > >> I agree with PCMan that we should get feedback from the community > >> first before releasing a stable lubuntu. The current lubuntu is > >> already quite good, but there will probably be some bugs that we dont > >> know, besides bugs that we know of e.g. in PCManFM. As PCMan is > >> working on a new version of the file manger, I hope we will be able to > >> include it. > >> > >> Read on below. > >> > >> - Mario > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: PCMan > >> > >> Hi all > >> Clearly Mplayer has the best performance on old machines which are the > >> target of Lubuntu. > >> However, the usability of currently available mplayer GUI frontend are > >> quite problematic. > >> SMplayer, although being developed with Qt4, undoubtedly has quite > >> good usability compared with others. Qt4 is not a problem. It's > >> bigger, but it's not very big. Besides, there will be more and more > >> applications written in Qt4 in the future. Denying the use of Qt4 is > >> quite unwise, IMHO. If you can find something that are as good, feel > >> free to replace it. But the problem is, there isn't. The other usable > >> player should be VLC, which is also written in Qt4, too. Xine is yet > >> another solution, but it doesn't have good performance, and the > >> usability is not good, either. So it's good for nothing. Rather than > >> including something that is good for nothing, I'd rather include > >> something that at least give you good usability. This is the > >> rationale. > >> > >> Another concern is, can we postpone the release of Lubuntu? Rather > >> than releasing something new but broken, I'd rather release it when > >> it's really ready. Give the users something that is half-done is not a > >> good way for marketing. > >> I'm confident that Lubuntu will be ready for everyday use at the time > >> of next Ubuntu LTS release. However, if we want to make it for 9.10, > >> we might end up with a broken distro that is problematic. IMHO, > >> keeping it in Alpha or Beta status is more preferable. Then just use > >> 9.10 release to get enough feedback from the users. Things should be > >> ready in Q1, 2010. Then the next LTS will be the right time for first > >> official release of Lubuntu. > >> > >> For application selection, I'd suggest creating a modular installer > >> and let the user choose what they want. This doesn't need to be > >> included in the Ubuntu installer. We can run a app selection wizard at > >> first-time startup. This can be the perfect solution for application > >> selection. > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > >> Post to : [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > > Post to : [email protected] > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > why don't you consider xine/gxine? I have encountered problems with both (s)mplayer and VLC, and never with (g)xine. if xine itself seems too geeky, then gxine imo is the solution - its really simple gui...I don't know if its codec pack is as full as that of VLC or not, but if not - is something wrong with w32/w64 codecs, so they can't be included? I know they're not open source...but does that mean they can't be included on an ISO? still, I happened to me that some films didn't have soud and/or image on (s)mplayer and/or VLC, and played without problem on xine, so I belive it should be okay. AND I belive it's GTK+, so QT won't be needed...
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