As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions are
not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when they
know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. They have their
reasons i guess. I haven't had any issues myself with Grub but then I'm
not a newbie. I would be hesitant, however, to point a newbie at a
system where there is a chance it will break. They sure as hell wont
come back to *nix if it does.
I think that since there are issues with Grub it would be a good idea to
move away from it and use something which doesn't have issues. Moaning
at the LUbuntu team does no-one any good, and it really annoys me when
people complain about non-production versions of software "breaking" -
they haven't broken they have bugs which is why they're in Alpha / Beta
releases! If you can't fix it you shouldn't have been using it - simple huh?
Rich
On 27/06/10 06:33, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
You may want to have a read of my last experience with grub2, from
moving up from grub-legacy...
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331465
it took drs305 to correct that 'simple' problem (He altered the wiki
page after it), it has gotten worse. Do not mis-read, the problem it
has come back to bite *buntu.
This is playing into the hands of certain corporate companies.*buntu
either works, or it does not. There is no 'gray/ grey' area about
something something so critical to a computer working. Users are not
interested in "ahh, but you can do this to make it work", it either
works, or it does not.
Phill.
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Phillip Whiteside <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Goh,
Grub is in a mess, and has been for a while. When it works, it
works well, when it fails, it fails completely. This has bubbled
along from 9.10 to 10.04 and is becoming a larger issue for 10.10
As per grub / burg and the really big mess that has been made,
along with people who help out on the forum area expressing their
frustrations, can I suggest you have a read of
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 I have not seen
the guys and galz on the testing area having such a heated
discussion, it is quite evident that there is a *major* problem
that needs addressing.
I have only read up on that thread today, Kansassnoob is one who I
rely on for grub issues, if he is exclaiming his in-ability to
support it, then I suggest you read up all you can as he is one of
those I rely on when the tutorials do not work.
I do not think it is a bug and I think it is a more
fundamental issue of where he puts his grub. But I don't like
his tone of calling the developers stupid when he himself is
stupid. And if he continues in this manner, I would be
reluctant to help him further.
So, you best have read on there, you will see that they have been
called far worse by people who actually have to deal with the fall
out.
There are always two sides to a coin, it pays to take the time to
see why someone is annoyed, in this case they have every reason to
be so. But it is not a lubuntu fault, it is a grub fault which
means all ubuntu shares it, and from the dev himself, so does debian.
Regards,
Phill.
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Goh Lip <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 06/27/2010 01:57 AM, Mario Behling wrote:
Dear all,
forwarded a bug report below.
Best,
Mario
Hi!
I cannot create Bug Report, because it I put it here...
Environment:
1. Using a PC, who can be uses an USB external HDD or SSD
(and can be
mounted as sdb device).
2. Install Lubuntu from CD to this USB HDD (as variant,
install to SDHD
Flash Card, plugged into PCs CardReader), mounted as sdb1.
3. Using Parted Editing manually, and put "/" for all
device space
without swap.
Result of Install Lubuntu:
1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has
the MBR on FIRST
HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation
Lubintu, not use
it completely!
2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without
having as
plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped
without this
External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display
Diagnostic
Message on this situation.
Resume:
It's stupidly situation. And who is this developer, who
wrote a code for
use as default FIRST HDD (mounted as sda) for put MBR, but
loading Grub
from SECOND HDD (mounted as sdb), if the User set up as
work (loadable)
Device SECOND HDD or other device?!
And Setup absolutely have not any position for user's
choosing about a
Device, who can be uses as place for the Master Boot Record...
It is absolutely abnormal situation, IMHO.
For example, Ubuntu (or Xbuntu) Installer has an option
for choosing a
place for create MBR with choosing place for Grub too.
Thanks for possibility of understanding.
Mario, did not see the OP (abnormal) post on this list. But
from what I gather, he has installed the grub to the external
disk. Naturally, there is no way the system be able to boot
this up.
If he wants to permanently attach this external to his system
and let the system select the option to boot, he can boot up
the computer OS, assuming it is a Linus distro, and do a "sudo
grub-install /dev/sda" on it. Then it will detect the Lubuntu
OS on the external and make it one of the option to boot.
If he doesn't want this to be in that option, or his computer
OS is windows, (and that is the impression I get), at start
up, select option on boot, either 'esc', F12 or F8 depending
on his computer.
I do not think it is a bug and I think it is a more
fundamental issue of where he puts his grub. But I don't like
his tone of calling the developers stupid when he himself is
stupid. And if he continues in this manner, I would be
reluctant to help him further.
Regards - Goh Lip
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