Eg you do alright Phill Cheers!
Zach K On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:12 AM, Phillip Whiteside <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > the Lubuntu team is also pretty small, you can and are welcome to chat about > 'off-topic' things at http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 Whilst that > area of my forum is strictly non-official to the lubuntu project people on > the project or people asking / commenting on how they personalised their > lubuntu installation are always welcome. > > To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no disk > space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets all > those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be a > vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new included > application). > > If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put > it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be > possible to "give it a mention" in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean, > mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos. > > Thanks for taking the time to comment and suggest things for Lubuntu, whilst > I may be the one replying, others will be reading. (Everytime I get something > slightly wrong, they usually correct me :p ). > > Phill. > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:50 AM, John Webster <[email protected]> wrote: > I probably need to repeat my opening comment that I don't want the > Lubuntu team to add anything to the standard installation, for the very > reasons you quote. I'm not that keen on Xubuntu - basically, it now has > so many embedded Gnome components, it's not all that much lighter than > vanilla Ubuntu, and it's certainly not as spare and elegant as Lubuntu. > > If individual users, having considered their needs and the capabilities > of the machines at their disposal, want to add other packages from the > vast range available in the repos, that's a completely different issue, > and that's what I thought this correspondence was about. Please accept > my apologies if I did not make that clear. > > On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 06:34 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote: > > Hi, the devil is in the detail > > > > I use Lubuntu to escape the horrors of Windows XP on older > > machines, and > > Ubuntu or Kubuntu to avoid the slightly lesser, but still > > considerable, > > frustrations associated with Windows 7 on more capable > > hardware. In my > > experience, any machine that does a reasonable job of running > > XP-SP2 or > > later will have been equipped with at least 256MB of RAM, and > > more > > commonly 384MB or 512MB. Such a machine will fly with Lubuntu. > > > > > > > > > > Where as > > A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 Mb RAM > > > > is what we aim for, you are talking Win 98 machines, they would > > certainly not be able to run XP. A lower spec ubuntu with all those > > bits would be Xubuntu. Heck for the 10.10 of lubuntu there is a > > low-fat version available via the mini-iso, please bear in mind that > > lubuntu is here specifically for low powered machines, if the team > > were to add "this, that and the other" we'd have standard Gnome > > Ubutnu. (I'm only repeating this as we do get told off for saying "I'd > > like this adding...." The Lubuntu project is pretty darn strict as to > > what gets in). > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Phill. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:59 AM, John Webster <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Dear Phill > > > > I wasn't arguing against the current Lubuntu defaults - they > > are fine, > > and entirely appropriate for the mission statement. In fact, I > > think > > that the Lubuntu team are doing a great job, which is why I'm > > here. > > > > I use Lubuntu to escape the horrors of Windows XP on older > > machines, and > > Ubuntu or Kubuntu to avoid the slightly lesser, but still > > considerable, > > frustrations associated with Windows 7 on more capable > > hardware. In my > > experience, any machine that does a reasonable job of running > > XP-SP2 or > > later will have been equipped with at least 256MB of RAM, and > > more > > commonly 384MB or 512MB. Such a machine will fly with Lubuntu. > > > > However, IF a particular user decides that they MUST install > > OpenOffice > > Impress from the repos, they will pull in a lot of > > dependencies that are > > common to other OpenOffice components. Hence my comment that, > > if you are > > going to install Impress, you might be just as well to replace > > Abiword > > and Gnumeric with the corresponding OpenOffice components. > > > > Softmaker Office for Linux is neither free nor open source, > > but it is > > lighter and more agile than OpenOffice and delivers better > > compatibility > > with MS Office. It installs and runs well in Lubuntu. > > > > I certainly don't mean to appear to criticise OpenOffice, > > which I use > > whenever I don't absolutely need 100% MS Office compatibility. > > The core > > aim of the OpenOffice development team seems to have been to > > produce a > > comprehensive and competent office suite, while maintaining a > > decent > > level of compatibility with MS Office. Indeed, the > > compatibility that > > they have achieved is perfectly adequate for all but serious > > business > > users forced to operate in a generally Windows/Mac > > environment. > > > > By contrast, the Softmaker Office team has clearly had the > > narrower goal > > of providing three key components that are as close as > > possible to 100% > > compatible with MS Office, and selling them for a much lower > > price than > > MS charges That Softmaker has taken the trouble to create a > > version for > > Linux means that business users wanting to use Linux on the > > desktop can > > do so with virtually no hassle, which must surely be a Good > > Thing. > > > > Incidentally, my personal view is that the most elegant > > presentation > > application out there, by a country mile, is Keynote. It > > doesn't make > > all that great a fist of maintaining compatibility with > > PowerPoint, no > > doubt because the Apple development team pursued the same > > philosophy as > > the OpenOffice team. In any case, while I'm sure that porting > > Keynote to > > Linux would be relatively straightforward, I can't see Apple > > releasing > > the source code under the GPL or even making a paid version > > available. > > > > Regards > > > > John > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 04:41 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote: > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > > Which is why I suggested just installing presenter. For > > Lubuntu the > > > mission statement is: > > > > > > > > > Lubuntu is targeted at "normal" PC users running on > > low-spec > > > hardware. Such users may not know how to use command > > line > > > tools, and in most cases they just don't have enough > > resources > > > for all the bells and whistles of the > > "full-featured" > > > mainstream distributions. > > > > > > A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 Mb RAM is > > probably a > > > bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet > > usable > > > system with Lubuntu. It should be possible to > > install and run > > > Lubuntu with less memory, but the result will likely > > not be > > > suitable for practical use. If you have less than > > 160 Mb RAM, > > > you will need to use the Minimal installation > > instructions. > > > Please note that especially on lower powered > > machines (older > > > CPU's) or low RAM systems, that the installation may > > seem to > > > 'hang' at about 95%, don't worry, it has not; it can > > just take > > > some time (possibly over an hour). > > > By that deffintion, power point is not going to happen. > > > The second reason is that all our software is free :-) > > > > > > > > > Installation of sections of OOo are quite easy. What people > > 'do' to > > > lubuntu is entirely up to them (What some of us have been up > > > to http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18). If you have > > look > > > at http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52 you will > > get an idea > > > of the differences within the family. Do not forget, as > > *buntu is > > > Debian based, you can put on any programme easily. > > > > > > > > > Lubuntu <> Mint > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Phill. > > > Lubuntu == https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr John Webster > 365 Table Top Road > Bridge Creek > Victoria 3723 > Australia > > ph/fax: +613-5776-9875 > mobile: +614-1642-2892 > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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