On 11/12/2011 04:20 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: >> This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu >> developers than forum threads, IMO.
> I do respect your opinion and I do understand what you are saying and I > also see your point but ... have you checked how many users have actually > posted over that thread? and they are still doing that on daily basis? I > hope you do :) Expecting Lubuntu devs to also do significant amounts of end user communication/liasion/publicity tasks is asking a lot of them. It makes more sense to let those with the passion/skill/vision for such communication work do that work, or at least most that work, doesn't it? I prefer that information of interest to me comes *to* me, so that I do not have to remember to go out and check whether there may be some at N different web forums or other "pull" media sources. It saves me time and energy, and lets me use tools to manage that information flow that I choose and know well and have used for years (such as my email client) not tools that someone else chose (web forum software, which seems different on every forum). That's a personal choice, of course, but a preference for email over web forums is pretty common among developers and other technically oriented folks. You asked whether you should post your "suggestions" here or on forums, so I offered you my opinion on which one is more likely to be useful, and why. If you want to take on a role of "liasion" between forum users and developers, and you have all the necessary skills (both technical and social), respect (among both users and developers) and available time to do that work well, then great, go for it! More generally, you sound like someone who might consider joining the proposed Lubuntu "Comm Team", that is mentioned in the P-Plan wiki page which I linked to in my earlier email. Note that decisions on overall direction for Lubuntu 12.04 were already made, at UDS, and are already incorporated into blueprint(s). This is how all Ubuntu flavours operate, Lubuntu is not a "special exception" to this Ubuntu-standard development process. > Plus, when I posted over there, I could simple have done it here but > I did that over there to be just like them and be one of them and add > my voice to their voice. Being a member of Lubuntu (NO, I'm not a > developer - too bad I'm not) and be so close to users IS IMHO VERY > important, period. See above re. your choosing to act as liasion or becoming involved in the "Comm Team" :) I don't disagree that users matter -- of course they matter; but some of us have real world jobs, personal or medical issues, and lives outside Ubuntu that restrict our available time for Lubuntu... IMO it is better that I spend the limited time I have on Lubuntu doing the things I can do which few others can do. I do get regular contact with real Linux users; I am a member of a local Linux User Group and frequently give talks there and help out local users, several of whom use Ubuntu in one flavour or another. > I did that I did as a Lubuntu User. Please, don't look at it as a > feedback or suggestion from a fellow member of the same team :) To be useful, "suggestions" from Lubuntu users need to be very clear and specific, and the sheer volume of them is rather overwhelming for a very small development team. Encouraging good bug reporting (on LaunchPad, not in forums!) and good troubleshooting skills among users is, IMO, likely to do more to help Lubuntu than encouraging end users to make "suggestions", many of which are simply not practical without a much larger development team that Lubuntu currently has. If you have the time to learn development skills, and then become an Lubuntu developer, that would be a great contribution to make. Encouraging "suggestions" from large numbers of end users on forums is IMO likely to disappoint and even upset those end users, when their well-intentioned suggestions do not make it into the next release. Encouraging good clear specific bug reports, and good troubleshooting skills, helps users manage their systems well, and helps developers learn about, diagnose and fix bugs. Again, this is just my opinion. >>> If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. >> Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked >> developers :) > Sorry but don't really know what to comment here so I'll remain > silent. Asking Julien to keep you updated, when you can instead ask existing working automated systems (wiki and Launchpad blueprints) to keep you updated, is (IMO) a bad idea; Julien's time is immensely valuable. Those automated systems are there precisely so no-one needs to ask for manual project status updates from developers. Please use them. Does that make sense? > Sorry if my suggestions caused any confusion and/or delay, my bad. It was not the suggestions I was referring to, rather it was the request to Julien to keep you updated. Jonathan _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
