On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Paul Gorski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Phill, > > Chromium unstable, for me yes, but I said nothing about HTML5. > My issue with webkit-based browsers is that they picked up a bug that > prevents them with working fully with a couple of web sites I manage. > > The bug started in Apple's Safari a couple years ago, and the other webkit > folks picked up the bug after Apple shared that code with the group. > > I just started seeing the bug at the end of 2011 in Chromium and Chrome. > But unless you're taking a continuing medical education test on-line from > one of two sites, it may work just fine for you! > Do you mind linking me to the bug report for this? I'd be really interested in learning more about it and maybe tracking it. -Steven > > Regarding Libreoffice, I can understand not including it by default, and > its not on my Lubuntu wish list. > But for me if I could create a custom install, I'd include again: > > LXDM (or improve the Windows NT'ish look of LightDM) > LibreOffice > Catfish > > But these are my own issues, preferences, and not wish lists for the > project. (Well, again, need to improve LightDM appearance as not scare off > new users.) > > Sincerely, > Paul Gorski > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phill Whiteside <[email protected]> > To: Paul Gorski <[email protected]> > Cc: lubuntu-qa <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:50 pm > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test > > Hi Paul, > > Chromium is unstable and does not support HTML5? Not from what I use it > for? > http://blog.chromium.org/2010/06/html5-rocks-resource-for-open-web.html My > always answer to "opinions", is raise a bug. Although do make sure you > have enabled html5 and thrown away adobe. > > As I also said before, lubuntu is a slim version. If you wish to install > Libre Office, do so! We simply do not install it by default. To maybe put > this into context, I have Libre Office, Open Office, GIMP, FileZilla, > bluefish, Virtual Machines all installed on my machine. That is because my > machine can handle them. The default set of applications have been agreed > about as to which give the "most bangs for the bucks" in terms of resources > used. > > At the start of each cycle a call goes out as to alternatives that keep > lubuntu on spec yet allow more applications to be added. We have a fairly > simple system of requesting additions...... "They may not use any RAM, Hard > Disk space nor CPU time when running". For those programmes that attain > those three rules, they can be put on with no vote. For anything else, we > have a discussion as to which is least evil. > > The discussion for what goes into 12.10 has already started. Maybe get > involved? The Mac people asked if they may get involved in that discussion > and have been welcomed to it. Lubuntu can ship different default apps > between the i686 / amd64 and the ppc / IntelMac versions. > > regards, > > Phill. > > > > On 9 March 2012 23:05, Paul Gorski <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It wasn't a feature list request, well, except for LXDM. I need a little >> eye-candy to help get Lubuntu in my local schools and governments. >> If it looks like their logging into Windows NT Server, it won't happen. >> >> Maybe its a PowerPC thing, but I've seen it on my old PCs too, >> Libreoffice runs as fast as AbiWord and Gnumeric, and the files are >> compatible with the files I create on PC and Mac. I'm looking for maximum >> cross platform compatibility. >> >> Ubuntu simply has too much overhead now. >> Lubuntu offers much lower overhead, and allows for some other more >> resource hungry apps to run. >> >> Libreoffice on an 800 MHz eMac running these beta Lubuntus runs circles >> around LibreOffice on an eMac 1.4GHz running MacOS 10.5.8. >> LibreOffice running on P3 1GHz, 512K of RAM running Lubuntu beats these >> yet. >> >> Chromium is still too unstable for me, and again, I can't promote >> something I can't use with one of my own web sites. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Paul Gorski >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Phill Whiteside <[email protected]> >> To: Paul Gorski <[email protected]> >> Cc: lubuntu-qa <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 3:53 pm >> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test >> >> Hi, >> >> in some sort of order... >> >> LXDM is dead. as in [1] Owing to available devs, the only devs for lxde >> are the lubuntu ones. They have decided to use LightDM as it is more >> supportable (i.e. it is used by more than just LX). >> >> Flash & LibreOffice are well outside what a minimal spec lubuntu >> machine can run. Use Ubuntu if you have a machine that powerful, or just >> install them. >> >> FireFox was dropped in favour for Chromium for the same reason. >> >> Games were and are there to just allow people to see that you can play >> patience on lubuntu. >> >> If you want to suggest changes to Apport, request them to the Apport >> team. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport >> >> Lubuntu <> Ubuntu. You can add anything from any repo onto lubuntu. It >> is slim by design, what you do to it afterwards is your choice. The most >> important word is *choice* ... something not given sometimes. Lubuntu is >> fully working, with enough applications to run - On time, In budget :) >> >> You may want to reflect on such comments as at >> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=272 >> >> Regards, >> >> Phill. >> >> [1] http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ebarnes/python/dead-parrot.htm >> >> On 9 March 2012 21:33, Paul Gorski <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Phill, >>> >>> You don't want me bringing in developers, I'd instruct them to: >>> >>> 1) bring back LXDM >>> 2) install something that would permanently disable Flash from ever >>> being installed >>> 3) make LibreOffice the default office suite >>> 4) Make Firefox the default browser, with DuckDuckGo.com as the default >>> search engine, and AdBlock installed as a default plug-in >>> (There's a technical problem with Chromium and all webkit based browsers >>> that interferes with one of the professional web sites I manage.) >>> 5) not include the games, make that an optional install >>> 6) configure apport to not only report back to Ubuntu but copy by email >>> anyone use choose (a local admin), so your local support person is aware of >>> the problems you're having >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Paul Gorski >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Phill Whiteside <[email protected]> >>> To: Paul Gorski <[email protected]> >>> Cc: lubuntu-qa <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:59 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test >>> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> yeah, working out what is 'generic' and lubuntu is really important. >>> Quite simply, they have more devs than us! It's a shame you missed out on >>> the call for people qualified to help on the recent request from the >>> government for the putting together a panel to discuss such things. For >>> schools, the ubuntu family specifically has edubuntu [1] From every one >>> (all three of them) I have steered in that direction I have had 100% report >>> back as it is not just a 'system', it is a community where the poor guy >>> 'allocated' IT can discuss with others about anything. >>> >>> My only other discussion re: lubuntu & schools was a couple of years >>> ago when some one from the african continent asked about the viability of >>> using lubuntu on a thin blade server as gnome had simply gotten to the >>> point where the server could not serve the multiple sign ons from what were >>> pretty "dumb" computers. He took the time out to thank us, as it reduced >>> the server load by 30% and ensured that they could continue to offer IT >>> lessons. Each time some one discusses 'old kit', I do remember that chat - >>> Even though it was a couple of years ago and lasted a couple of days. >>> Lubuntu made a difference. >>> >>> All you have to do now is grab some developers for lubuntu! Such is >>> our team size, a couple of extra people would make a massive difference. >>> For example, some one familiar with back-porting would get 10.04 updated >>> (the last release that can support pre i686 chipsets). The desire is there, >>> we simply are lacking in numbers. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Phill. >>> >>> On 9 March 2012 19:43, Paul Gorski <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> If we could fix the dark login screens for the G4s at the cost of >>>> giving up on the iMacG3's I'd be fine with that. The fact is the desktop >>>> iso doesn't work for G3's or many G4's. (No boot G3's dark installer screen >>>> for G4's) >>>> >>>> I'm not looking at this just from a Mac angle though. Their are >>>> millions of PCs that the Window OS has abandoned, ripe for Lubuntu or >>>> equivalent. >>>> As someone who is personally responsible for overseeing government >>>> budgets, I'd like to see governments and schools move to Ubuntu, Lubuntu or >>>> equivalent. Its folks like me you have to reach and convince. Decision >>>> makers within business and units of governments. >>>> >>>> By the way, I'm having problems with the PC side, but don't have the >>>> time to report the problems, as I am working on three PowerPC Macs at a >>>> time. >>>> >>>> I have PIII's, PIV's, and Intel-based Macs I've been testing on while >>>> my other PowerPC installs are happening. And I've started doing some Ubuntu >>>> installs just to compare the experiences. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Paul Gorski >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Phill Whiteside <[email protected]> >>>> To: Paul Gorski <[email protected]>; lubuntu-qa < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 12:37 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test >>>> >>>> Hi Paul, >>>> >>>> this is lubuntu's first attempt at a Mac release (We only gained >>>> 'official' status with the 11.10 release, which was only i686 & amn64). >>>> Pretty much everyone testing has never used iso-tracker[1] before nor >>>> raised 'official' bug reports. That they have come so far in such a short >>>> time is a testament to their desire to see lubuntu available for Macs. The >>>> 12.04 will, no doubt, still be a bit rough round the edges as non of our >>>> dev team have access to a mac. The fate of lubuntu for Macs falls pretty >>>> much into the hands of the small but valiant group of testers. Our devs, >>>> artwork, wiki people etc. will do all they can to ensure that it works, >>>> looks okay and there is documentation as to how to solve issues that are >>>> still there at release. >>>> >>>> I am as committed to helping new comers get used to QA testing, and >>>> the 'main' QA team that over sees all flavours of the ubuntu family are >>>> also as committed. This is the first release for me where I've been >>>> coordinating QA issues, and boy oh boy, have I asked a lot of questions! >>>> There is a 'rule' from Canonical to continue the ppc & Intel-Mac releases >>>> but* only* if they are seen to be tested, bugs reported and fixed. >>>> Consider the 12.04 lubuntu release as a stable 'Beta', what we learn from >>>> getting it to release will be taken on board for the 12.10 release. >>>> >>>> I'm mindful of the fact that there are still some pretty big gremlins >>>> that need sorting - especially for G3 and the knack of installing the >>>> kernels in the wrong place. These affect all the ubuntu family Mac >>>> releases, the feed back from the guy who looks after such things is "RAISE >>>> A BUG!!", reporting by email, IRC, forums etc. does *not* count in >>>> Canonical's eyes as 'activity'. >>>> >>>> For reaching a larger audience? As happened with lubuntu - you'd be >>>> surprised just how powerful word of mouth, peoples blogs etc. are. We do >>>> have access to some people who are PR orientated, both via lubuntu, ubuntu >>>> and an upstream project that I also am the admin for. As for the pure Mac >>>> side of things? Well, I'm sure the mac users know where to post comments >>>> about the fact lubuntu is coming to the Macs :) >>>> >>>> As they say in the old Ealing Comedies [2] "Carry on testing!" At >>>> times, it does feel somewhat surreal, a good sense of humour is not >>>> required, but it sure goes a long way to help you not "head butting the >>>> desk" when things really break! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Phill >>>> [1] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ >>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_(film_series) >>>> >>>> On 9 March 2012 17:48, Paul Gorski <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Phill, >>>>> >>>>> Are there any clear cut goals set forth for Ubuntu and variant >>>>> development? >>>>> >>>>> Sure you all want to improve the released products, but for what >>>>> purpose? >>>>> Is there any particular goal to reach a larger audience, a larger >>>>> installed base? >>>>> >>>>> I've supported Macs and PCs for over 20 years now, but was a true Mac >>>>> Evangelist in the day before Apple Stores. >>>>> I'd go into businesses and flip them from PC to Mac. Sometimes it was >>>>> hard sometimes not. >>>>> Lower cost of training, return on investment and ease of use usually >>>>> sold decision makers, as long as the software supported their business >>>>> goals. >>>>> >>>>> I see a huge market for Ubuntu and the like. Low cost of entry, pretty >>>>> easy to setup, numerous viable business applications, and browsers fully >>>>> compatible with today's cloud computing. And you can use your existing >>>>> hardware! >>>>> You could drive down operating costs for businesses, schools and >>>>> governments. What's not to like. >>>>> >>>>> I know you're not the guy that makes these decisions, but I'd like to >>>>> know what we're working towards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Paul Gorski >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Phill Whiteside <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Luigi Calderone <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: lubuntu-qa <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 11:34 am >>>>> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 12.04 beta test >>>>> >>>>> Hi Luigi, >>>>> >>>>> the only one available for you would be the 10.04 release of lubuntu >>>>> which we keep alive precisely for that reason. If you can get Ubuntu 12.04 >>>>> installed, you can then put lubuntu on & get rid of the gnome stuff. But! >>>>> the instructions for going 'pure' lubuntu will not be available until a >>>>> few >>>>> days after the final release of 12.04. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry I cannot be of more help. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Phill. >>>>> >>>>> On 9 March 2012 08:33, Luigi Calderone <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Phil, >>>>>> I wasn't able to find a way to write anything in the iso tracker. >>>>>> Installation of Lubuntu was unsuccessful because my laptop Dell >>>>>> Latitude D600 is "Pentium M" based, manufactured on 2004. Pentium M is a >>>>>> "non PAE" processor not supported anymore in ubuntu with exception of >>>>>> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS version (I don't like it because I've only 512MB Ram). I >>>>>> found it's possible to use a mini.iso distro but an ethernet connection >>>>>> is >>>>>> required and I've only an internet key one. Probably a mutant >>>>>> lubuntu-non-pae distro should be a solution but I didn't find it in any >>>>>> way. >>>>>> Any hint? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bye >>>>>> Luigi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/3/8 Phill Whiteside <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> firstly, be careful with Gnome Video Player, it *may* bring in a >>>>>>> lot of Gnome dependencies (I've never tried it on Lubuntu), Firefox can >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> installed although the default is Chromium >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We ask that people use the iso tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ as >>>>>>> from there you can look at the requested tests for installing and say >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> it works / fails / installs but has a problem etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing has more information on >>>>>>> testing. Feel free to join the lubuntu-qa group and mailing list and ask >>>>>>> any testing questions on there. Also, joining the main mailing list if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> are testing an i686 or amd64 version details of that one are at >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Join.3F> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Welcome to lubuntu! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phill. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 March 2012 15:33, Luigi Calderone <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Admin, >>>>>>>> I'm going to install Lubuntu 12.04 beta1 on my old laptop (Dell >>>>>>>> Latitude >>>>>>>> D600, 512MB Ram) in order to use and test this distro. >>>>>>>> I use often some programs like Firefox 10, Gnome Video Player, >>>>>>>> KeepassX, >>>>>>>> Unison, Playonlinux, Wvdial >>>>>>>> What can I do if I find any problem? 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