On 06/04/2013 02:35 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 01:23 AM, Erick Brunzell wrote:
>
>> #2: I hope wireless support improves in the netboot images to a point
>> that we can drop the alternate images altogether.
> Fine only where Internet bandwidth is plentiful and cheap. If you have
> multiple users in a place where Internet connectivity is slow or
> expensive or both, netboot doesn't scale. You then force such folks to
> learn enough to set up a local repository, I think. That isn't all that
> simple to do.
>
> With an alternate installer, as at present, they download (or have
> mailed or hand-carried to them) an ISO image, and can then install it on
> many PCs with no further Internet bandwidth usage.
>
>> #3: Since it's impossible to ever reach a true consensus regarding
>> default apps it would be cool if the live CD offered a minimal install
>> so each user could then install the browser and other apps desired post-
>> installation. But I see that as a long term wish-list item, NOT
>> something we should consider until the alternate images are retired.
> Users who care enough to do that, care enough to remove the "unwanted"
> default apps anyway, so is this really a significant gain? You are only
> saving them a few minutes during the install, and a few more not needing
> to uninstall the apps they dislike. That's a few minutes per year
> saved, even if they do a fresh install annually.
>
> Jonathan
Again I largely agree with everything you're saying here ;^)
I would however point out that I can install Lubuntu using the i386 live
CD on an old PII 333 MHz w/256 mb of RAM if I select install from the
boot menu .......... but it will not run the live DE and therefore not
install from the live DE.
But the same hardware does run Puppy much better & faster, now don't get
mad, but I wonder if we're being totally honest about Lubuntu's support
of "older" hardware??? How old???
Of course we now have a work-around for some non-pae Pentium M's, but
work-arounds grow tiring to those not familiar with the OS anyway.
That's not to say they're a waste of time. It just becomes a matter of
what we truly want to be going forward.
Are we going to focus on being a Puppy or Damn Small clone? Or are we
going to focus on the beauty of Lubuntu as an OS? If we split that focus
between the two do we have the resources to pull that off?
I read the following about Lubuntu plans for Saucy:
Some interesting changes are expected to happen in Lubuntu too, the LXDE
Ubuntu flavor. While Ubuntu might switch from Firefox to Chromium,
*Lubuntu considers the opposite: it might ship with Firefox by default
instead of Chromium* as the default web browser because Chromium uses
too much memory for Lubuntu, which is supposed to be a lightweight Linux
distribution.
*Other possible changes in Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy Salamander include:*
* remove lxkeymap in favor of the keyboard applet of lxpanel;
* Lubuntu Software Center might be replaced with something else;
* Xscreensaver might be removed and replaced with the LightDM locking
system;
* Ubuntu One might be integrated by default;
* better file manager that includes support for ssh/ftp;
* FreeCiv or another game might be added by default;
* artwork changes.
Those changes, or any combination of those changes, may be a great thing
or less :^)
I'd be very disappointed if we dropped PCManFM in favor of some other
file manager - I detest Thunar - but this brings me back to offering
options during installation. I know it would take weeks, or even months
of development to pull that off - but I think it would be "cool".
Is it "cool" enough to draw support from enough Ubuntu/Canonical devs to
pull it off? I dunno :^)
Lance
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