The numbers for each installer would also make it clear for people which one would work best I like that idea.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Nio Wiklund <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Phill, > > Yes I can. I'll test with standard Lubuntu 32-bit. > > I guess the priority list should be what is possible with the > > 1. desktop installer > > 2. alternate installer > > and the non-conventional alternatives can be tested with standard > Lubuntu and or Lubuntu Core > > 3. OBI (only booted from mass storage devices, typically USB pendrive) > > 4. 9w (booted from CD/DVD/USB drives) > > -o- > > I was not able to install Lubuntu Saucy with 128 MB RAM and any of the > conventional installers. The alternate or mini iso (netboot) installer > needed at least 160 MB. I could install with the OBI with 128 MB. I did > not try the OBI with less RAM. The text in that page is brief, and I > think it should state the limit for each installer. I expect that the > limits will be the same or slightly higher with Trusty. > > Best regards > Nio > > 2014-03-14 21:19, Phill Whiteside skrev: > > Hi Nio, > > > > can you ensure that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements > > is up to date. > > > > Regards, > > > > Phill. > > > > > > On 10 March 2014 01:46, Nio Wiklund <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hi again! > > > > A couple of friends at the Ubuntu Forums have helped us find the low > > limit of hardware, when Lubuntu Saucy and Trusty can run (as > installed > > with the 9w installer) > > > > See this link (posts #76-79) > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2209683&page=4&p=12952191#post12952191 > > > > Doug S wrote { > > > > Ventrical @ 166 Mhz and 80 Megabytes is not enough. Me at 200 Mhz and > > 115 Megabytes right on the edge, and while installation was fine, > > operationally probably not enough. > > } > > > > Best regards > > Nio > > > > 2014-03-08 13:38, Nio Wiklund skrev: > > > [my text is at the end except the link] > > > > > > http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ > > > > > > > > > 2014-03-08 12:24, Ali Linx skrev: > > >> > > >> On 03/08/2014 01:30 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: > > >>> 2014-03-07 01:53, Nio Wiklund skrev: > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> We want to try a new kernel for Trusty Tahr, that is developed > by > > >>>> PhillW. Many people help to build an Ubuntu based operating > system > > >>>> around it, a system that should work on most computers (maybe > > except > > >>>> some of those brand new ones that cannot switch off UEFI). > > >>>> > > >>>> We have a wide variety of computers, but have not found any > > really old > > >>>> one without PAE capability. I'm not talking about Pentium M and > > Celeron > > >>>> M, I'm talking about CPUs before Pentium II: > > >>>> > > >>>> Pentium Pro, Pentium (i586), or Intel 486 or maybe the > > corresponding > > >>>> generation of AMD from 1993-1997. > > >>>> > > >>>> I have an old computer from 1998, and it has a Pentium II CPU > > at 400 > > >>>> MHz, so it must be older. Check for a clock frequency at or > > below 200 > > >>>> MHz. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you are a happy owner of such a jewel, please help us test > > that the > > >>>> non-pae kernel really works in a computer without PAE > > capability :-) > > >>>> > > >>>> Best regards > > >>>> Nio > > >>>> > > >>> Hi again, > > >>> > > >>> After some [private] replies offering tests on old enough > > hardware, I > > >>> can report the following results: > > >>> > > >>> You can try the installer (to find out if it boots and runs in > > text mode > > >>> with really low RAM). An older computer might need less RAM for > > drivers > > >>> than my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. > > >>> > > >>> *The Debian installer, live in an iso file* > > >>> > > >>> It starts in text mode and uses 18 MB RAM when idle (and 22 MB > in a > > >>> newer computer with AMD Athlon dual core 4400+), but I have > problems > > >>> below 64 MB, set with the boot option (text is default) > > >>> > > >>> mem=48M > > >>> > > >>> in an old IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. > > >>> > > >>> it cannot unpack initramfs > > >>> > > >>> *Ubuntu Trusty installed system with Phill's non-pae kernel* > > >>> > > >>> The Ubuntu Trusty kernel needs more RAM, now after some > > >>> testing I would say at least 64 MB, but I have problems below 80 > > MB, set > > >>> with the boot options > > >>> > > >>> text mem=64M > > >>> > > >>> in the same old IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M CPU. > > >>> > > >>> When idling > > >>> > > >>> free -m # shows 38 MB RAM used > > >>> htop # shows 39 MB RAM used > > >>> > > >>> but it seems more RAM is needed at some stage of the boot > process. > > >>> > > >>> -o- > > >>> > > >>> The really old computers available so far have too low RAM, > > except one, > > >>> with a Pentium Pro at 200 Mhz. It has 128 Megabytes of memory. > The > > >>> computer was purchased on 1996.08.31. But it has a PAE flag and > > should > > >>> be PAE capable. > > >>> > > >>> I'm starting to think, that most computers if not all, that are > old > > >>> enough to lack PAE capability have too low RAM anyway for our > > new Ubuntu > > >>> flavour non-pae kernel. > > >>> > > >>> The outstanding exceptions are Celeron M and Pentium M, that > > lack the > > >>> PAE flag, but in most cases have PAE capability. > > >> > > >> Further to my previous reply: > > >> > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2014-March/006876.html > > >> > > >> I have forgotten to mention that on this thread: > > >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 > > >> > > >> I manged to install - trying again to save you the trouble to go > > through > > >> all the posts of that long thread - Linux on such super old > > machine (P2 > > >> with 64MB RAM and 4GB HDD) by: > > >> > > >> 1- Taking the HDD out - because the machine itself has nothing to > be > > >> used to install Linux. > > >> 2- Plugged the HDD to another machine. > > >> 3- Linux installed - I wasted one month for this experiment > > because more > > >> than 50 different systems didn't work - check the thread. > > >> 4- Disconnected the HDD and put it back in. > > >> > > >> One month, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, I learned a lot and proved > > a lot > > >> but the real result wasn't helpful for a daily use. Why? because > > these > > >> machines can no longer serve while we are in 2014. > > >> > > >> I was shocked when I managed to connect to the Wireless Network > and > > >> update the system. But that was the further I managed to go IIRC. > > >> > > >> See the thread if you wish: > > >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 > > >> > > >> If anyone still think I'm wrong, see the thread :) > > >> > > >> And first thing you do, check the date of that thread: October > > 8th, 2010 > > >> > > >>> Best regards > > >>> Nio > > >>> > > >> Thank you! > > >> > > > > > > Hi everybody :-) > > > > > > I see your points, I just want to explore things and find out > myself. > > > > > > > > > *. 9w - an installer for old computers > > > > > > So I uploaded a directory with an experimental installer and two > > sample > > > systems to install. The installer is based on a Debian system with > an > > > i486 kernel, and it can install any kind of [free] operating > system. > > > There are two sample systems which expand to 4 GB > > > > > > Lubuntu Trusty non-pae built february 23 'Ltrusty-npae-feb23.iso' > > > Lubuntu Saucy PAE-for-Pentium-M 'LubuSaucy-pae2pm-4GB.iso' > > > > > > 9w comes as a hybrid ISO file, that works from CD/DVD and cloned > from > > > USB. So it is simple to make install media for most old computers. > > > > > > See this link > > > > > > http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/ > > > > > > > > > 1. What computer will run at all, will be able to do some 'real > work', > > > etc? It might be worth the effort just for the sake of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > 2. What computers are the target for a non-pae Ubuntu kernel? > > > > > > With the new fix in Trusty, [almost all] Pentium M and Celeron M > will > > > work with standard 32-bit kernel and the very simple tweak to add > the > > > boot option 'forcepae'. > > > > > > If all pre-Pentium II computers are out of the question, how many > > > computers remain? For example: Are there motherboards, that are > > non-pae, > > > and are not helped by fake-PAE? Other problems? > > > > > > I'm thinking of Jörn's reply: > > > > > > -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- > > > Ämne: Re: have you got a really old computer > > > Datum: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 22:48:24 +0100 > > > Från: Joern <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] > >> > > > Till: Nio Wiklund <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > There also some CPUs that aren't PAE capable but were likely > shipped > > > with enough RAM, like some VIA ones, 1 or 2 versions of Pentium M > with > > > 1.2 GHz and the Transmeta Crusoe. > > > > > > Jörn > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > 3. What computers are the target for ToriOS? > > > > > > - Is Pentium 4 and 512 MB RAM the low limit? > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > Nio > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw > > > -- > Lubuntu-users mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users >
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