A nice compendium, Art.

But on your final point about the hidden repair partition: I think it is usual for that process to rely on a prescribed boot manager. Lubuntu's installation of the grub boot manager should preserve the repair partition, but I'm not confident that it will reliably preserve the boot-to-repair-partition option. However I would be glad to hear otherwise from others with more experience.

On 10/4/2014 5:03 AM, Artemgy wrote:
Jerry,

I have always preferred to err on the side of caution by 1) leaving
Windows on there (I paid for it and it's handy to update bios and
independently test of hardware issues) and 2) using Windows disk manager
to shrink the volume.

It can take an hour or two longer to work through the process in
Windows, but I find that worthwhile for the comfort factor. There are a
number of "umovable files" according to Windows, which include the page
and hibernation files, the search index, restore points and kernel debug
files. After leaving Windows to defrag thoroughly the procedure is A)
attempt the shrink, B) check the logs to find the file that prevented
it, and C) delete it. Then loop this until you have shrunk enough!

Here's a better explanation of the process:
http://www.brandonchecketts.com/archives/how-to-shrink-a-partition-with-unmovable-files-in-windows-7
And here are a couple of lists of unmovable files and how to turn the
feature off before moving
http://askubuntu.com/questions/25221/how-to-shrink-windows-partition-with-unmovable-files-in-dual-boot-installation
and

On the other hand, I guess that if you have a hidden repair partition,
you will always have the option to repair, or even restore the whole
system if you choose to use gparted and end up breaking the Windows side

Good luck
Art

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:10:13 +0200
From: Nio Wiklund <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: New Lenovo Netbook
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Hi Jerry,

We think that it will work to reduce the size of the Windows partition
using gparted (from a linux live system). You are already warned against
reducing the size too much. I think you should leave at least 100 GB
disk space for Windows. There are no guarantees. So you need a good and
current backup before you start.

You can clone your current hard disk drive with Windows using

*Clonezilla*

Clone it to another hard disk drive of the same size or bigger.

A good alternative is to let Clonezilla make a compressed image of your
current disk. It will use *much* less space and can be stored in an
external hard disk drive as a directory with a set of files. But in
order to restore from it you need another hard disk drive of the same
size (as your current hard disk drive with Windows) or bigger.

And a backup must be tested is order to be really reliable ...

The advantage with this method is that you restore the system to its
current state with tweaks, personal files, everything, instead of the
factory restore.

-o-

An OBI tarball can be used as backup for a linux partition. I'm not sure
that the method (suggested by Israel Dahl) would be able to restore
Windows. But I have used Clonezilla for that purpose, and I know that it
works, when used correctly.

Best regards
Nio

Den 2014-10-04 06:24, "J. Van Brimmer" skrev:
That's what I intend to do once I get the DVDs created. I was having
trouble with the Windows backup tool writing to my external ASUS DVD-RW
USB drive. It seemed to write data to disc 1, and then it would tell me
to insert another disc larger than 1GB as Disc 1 again. I'll have to
retry that tomorrow. Not sure what's going on there. I was using 4.7GB
DVD-R discs. I just can't express how much I dislike *dows. There were
no messages that Disc 1 was complete, or anything similar.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Israel <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

     Hi,
     Every so often I get a computer with windows on it, and I resize the
     windows partition for the person, so they can run their Windows only
     apps.
     I have never once had an issue.  But really, most of the time, I
     only use Windows to update the BIOS.
     And then the next thing I do is install a flavour of Ubuntu.
     Usually Lubuntu, but sometimes Xubuntu.

     That said, I never use the Windows partitioner.  I manually
     partition the system inside the LiveCD.  Windows has always "worked"
     during those times.  Usually, though it is better to reinstall
     Windows so you get a fresh registry.  Though the newer NT based
     versions seem to handle things a bit better, they always seem to get
     slower, and full of viruses after they have been used for somewhere
     around a year.

     Most of the 'broken' computers I get have windows issues.  I had one
     that the sound wasn't working, and the DVD drive no longer
     functioned (in windows).  I simply booted a live CD (yes the drive
     did work), and voila... everything was working.



     On 10/03/2014 08:15 PM, "J. Van Brimmer" wrote:
     Yeah, I understand that it's a loaded question. I was just
     wondering if anyone here had tried it before. After I get my DVD
     images complete and tested, I'm going to try it.

     On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Andre Rodovalho
     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

         Nobody will answer you for sure. Even if you contact Windows
         support... Give it a try. If you have any problems, you
         restore that. Better now that you have nothing on your Windows
         than later...

         PS: Windows 7 requires 20GB for 64bits architecture.

         2014-10-03 20:26 GMT-03:00 "J. Van Brimmer"
         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:

             It has a 500Gb hard drive, but the "C" partition was only
             about 460Gb. When I ran the Partitoner from inside
             Windows, it would only shrink "C" down to 226Gb.

             I just now booted up a Lubuntu live 14.04 disc and ran
             Gparted from inside Lubu. Gparted says I can shrink "C"
             down to 36.6 Gb minimum. But, I have no problem leaving it
             at 100 Gb. I just want to know, if I shrink it down below
             the 226 Gb boundary set by the Windows partitioner, will
             it clobber Windows? Will I have to factory restore the
             system just to have a running windows?

             I am tempted to just wipe the whole disc, but I thought if
             I can shrink "C" down to 100 Gb, I'd leave it there.


             On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Aere Greenway
             <[email protected]
             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                 On 10/03/2014 11:30 AM, "J. Van Brimmer" wrote:
                 Hello,

                 I have just acquired a "new" refurbished Lenovo X140e
                 netbook. tI has Windows 7 Pro on it. The first thing
                 I did after booting it up was to go into Partition
                 Management to shrink the C partition to make room for
                 Lubuntu. I was shocked to discover that the partition
                 manager would only shrink C by 50%. So, I went ahead
                 and did that.

                 Then, I booted up a live CD of Gparted. Gparted says
                 I can shrink C way down a lot more. I don't remember
                 how far it was, but it was way down, less than 100 GB.

                 Can I safely follow Gparted's recommendation and not
                 impact Winbroke? I am not too terribly worried about
                 it though. I am going to create a restore image DVD,
                 but I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone has any
                 experience on this before I get started.

                 Thanks,

                 --
                 ->Jerry<-


                 Jerry:

                 I once had a Windows partition that I re-sized way
                 down to a size that seemed reasonable at the time.  It
                 seemed reasonable because I only use that system for
                 testing.

                 A year or so later, that system was in-trouble because
                 of insufficient space.

                 The culprit?  The space was used up by the multitude
                 of Windows updates.

                 I had to re-size the Windows partition to a larger
                 size to rescue the system (which involved resizing and
                 even moving my Linux partitions).

                 So by word of experience, in re-sizing a Windows
                 partition, be sure to leave it room to install the
                 many necessary Windows updates.  On Windows 7 and
                 above, it also creates a restore-point whenever you
                 install anything, and those restore-points take up
                 disk space as well.

                 I do recommend keeping your Windows partition around
                 (and usable) if you have one.  Over the years, there
                 have been many cases where I was glad I saved it for
                 those occasional things that won't run on Linux, or
                 for which Linux has no practical alternative.

                 Linux has been very reliable in re-sizing all of my
                 Windows partitions.  In over 10 years of experience,
                 it only failed once, and in that case, there may have
                 been disk errors in the Windows partition.  So make
                 sure you do a disk check of the Windows partition
                 before re-sizing it.

                 Beware that on Windows 8, it may leave its partition
                 in a 'suspend' (hibernate) state, so re-sizing it
                 could give you problems.

                 --
                 Sincerely,
                 Aere




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