My old Panasonic Toughbook uses 'old Intel' graphics and survived the transition to 14.10 without obvious hitches.
I can't remember offhand whether the driver was 'stock' or installed via the Intel utility. What's the best way to check via cli? David H On 6 Nov 2014 18:29, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Lubuntu-users mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Lubuntu-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Subject: Fwd: .... system boots to a black screen > ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to > xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen > ([email protected]) > 3. Re: Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to > xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen > (Aere Greenway) > 4. Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for > testing (Fritz Hudnut) > 5. Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for > testing (Aere Greenway) > 6. Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for > testing (Ian Bruntlett) > 7. nasty display bugs (Walter Lapchynski) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:48:37 +0100 > From: <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Subject: Fwd: .... system boots to a black screen > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:28:46 +0000 > [email protected] wrote: > > > Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to > > xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen > > Just a side note. Looking at how Aere posted the relevant sysinfos came up > to my mind it might be a good idea to add the cli utility inxi to Lubuntu. > > It's really easy and effective to gather the systeminfos, better - and > more complete - than all the standard tools, with and without gui, i'm > aware of. > > Look here: > > > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=inxi&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all > > https://code.google.com/p/inxi/ > > Cheers > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:56:46 +0100 > From: <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to > xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:28:46 +0000 > [email protected] wrote: > > > Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to > > xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen > > Just a side note. Looking at how Aere posted the relevant sysinfos came up > to my mind it might be a good idea to add the cli utility inxi to Lubuntu. > > It's really easy and effective to gather the systeminfos, better - and > more complete - than all the standard tools, with and without gui, i'm > aware of. > > Look here: > > > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=inxi&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all > > https://code.google.com/p/inxi/ > > Cheers > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:54:32 -0700 > From: Aere Greenway <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: Re: Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to > xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 11/06/2014 07:56 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Just a side note. Looking at how Aere posted the relevant sysinfos came > up to my mind it might be a good idea to add the cli utility inxi to > Lubuntu. > > > > It's really easy and effective to gather the systeminfos, better - and > more complete - than all the standard tools, with and without gui, i'm > aware of. > Under the "System" menu, there is the "System Profiler and Benchmark" > tool, which works fine, and you can Copy/Paste from its display. > > Unfortunately, there is no "Edit" menu to reassure you you are copying > what you want. > > For example, with "Display" selected in the left pane, I selected (in > the right pane), the "Resolution" line. Right-clicking on it yields no > menu, but when I hit control-c, then paste (in the e-mail below), I get > the following (namely, everything in the right pane - not just what was > selected: > > -Display- > Resolution : 1920x1080 pixels > Vendor : The X.Org Foundation > Version : 1.15.1 > -Monitors- > Monitor 0 : 1920x1080 pixels > -Extensions- > BIG-REQUESTS > Composite > DAMAGE > DOUBLE-BUFFER > DPMS > DRI2 > DRI3 > GLX > Generic Event Extension > MIT-SCREEN-SAVER > MIT-SHM > Present > RANDR > RECORD > RENDER > SECURITY > SGI-GLX > SHAPE > SYNC > X-Resource > XC-MISC > XFIXES > XFree86-DGA > XFree86-VidModeExtension > XINERAMA > XInputExtension > XKEYBOARD > XTEST > XVideo > -OpenGL- > Vendor : Unknown > Renderer : Unknown > Version : Unknown > Direct Rendering : No > > This was done on my primary machine - not the machine having the problem. > > If my Lubuntu partition could have been booted (even with a prior > kernel), I would have used this tool. > > UbuntuStudio (with the XFCE) has no system info tool, so I installed > something (sysinfo), which unfortunately, I couldn't copy/paste from, > and in doing it, installed a bunch of mono libraries, taking a long time > to install (I don't like sysinfo). > > I know most of you really like command-line-interface tools. > > The problem I encounter with such tools, is I can't remember the command > name, and I don't want to search through volumes of past e-mails to > discover it. > > If there's a GUI tool in the menu (and its name describes what it does), > I will use that, and if it's use is not obvious, its help information > usually gives me what I need. > > With such a tool, I don't have to remember a lot of information for > something I rarely use, thus keeping my memory available for the huge > amount of programming details needed for my projects. > > -- > Sincerely, > Aere > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:17:51 -0800 > From: Fritz Hudnut <[email protected]> > To: J?rn Sch?nyan <[email protected]> > Cc: lubuntu user list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for > testing > Message-ID: > < > cag62idanqrhh_bys5kuhq9qu4j8hb5j6wsxpq2avvvdwrws...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:02 AM, J?rn Sch?nyan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > About the minimum and/or recommended system requirements: we haven't > > tested it, yet. But I think it's reasonable to assume simmilar > requirements > > like LXDE. As a rule of thumb: > > > > * 256 MB RAM, 1 GHz: barely usable at all, but should "work" > > * 512-768 MB RAM, 1-1,5 GHz: a lot better, but still some kind of > > limitations > > * 1 GB RAM and a better processor: really useable, even the "big > software" > > like LibreOffice / Firefox works fine > > > > And as an addition to that: it will not be a requirement, but if you have > > working hardware acceleration from your graphic chip, this could help a > > lot! Qt5 can be painted by hardware acceleration, which means: your GPU > > paints the user interface, your CPU has more ressources avaible to do the > > hard work. > > > > > @JS: > > Thanks for the info. Well, that would put my G4 iBook on the "should work" > low end of processor speed, in this case 933MHz . . . RAM of something in > the 600MB. My iMac 800 has once again KP'd out of service . . . that has 1 > GB RAM, but no way to test anything. I'll have to wait until an iso is > available, not enough skilz to compile a system from "scratch" and test . . > . but, it's looking like the AmigaOne guys will have to pick up the hammer > on testing LXQT for PPC . . . . > > F > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/attachments/20141106/8ce4c906/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:54:20 -0700 > From: Aere Greenway <[email protected]> > To: Fritz Hudnut <[email protected]>, J?rn Sch?nyan > <[email protected]> > Cc: lubuntu user list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for > testing > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 11/06/2014 09:17 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote: > > Thanks for the info. Well, that would put my G4 iBook on the "should > > work" low end of processor speed, in this case 933MHz . . . RAM of > > something in the 600MB. My iMac 800 has once again KP'd out of > > service . . . that has 1 GB RAM, but no way to test anything. I'll > > have to wait until an iso is available, not enough skilz to compile a > > system from "scratch" and test . . . but, it's looking like the > > AmigaOne guys will have to pick up the hammer on testing LXQT for PPC > > . . . . > Fritz: > > I have a low-end test machine, whose speed is 933 megahertz, with 512 > megabytes of ram, and up through Lubuntu 14.04, performs well - at least > for the MIDI music testing I've been doing on it. > > UbuntuStudio (with the XFCE desktop) doesn't perform very well, but > still marginally works. > > The thing that's causing it problems isn't the low processor speed, or > the lack of RAM, but its old Intel graphics (a part of the mother-board, > with no AGP slot for a NVIDIA card). > > Lubuntu 14.10 will not boot on it, most likely because of its graphics > card. > > Unfortunately, the latest system updates destroyed that Lubuntu system, > and will probably also destroy the UbuntuStudio partition as well if I > apply system updates. > > So even though it worked fine on Lubuntu 14.04 (and I hoped to use it > until the end of 14.04 support), it may even now need to be consigned to > the trash-bin. > > As a developer, and recognizing that Linux developers volunteer their > time and expertise, developers want to work on new stuff - not old > stuff. So the loss of perfectly usable machines is due to human nature > - not devious planning. > > P.S. - Likewise, Lubuntu 14.10 will not boot on even a 2 gigahertz Intel > Celeron processor machine with 1 gigabytes of RAM, because of its Intel > graphics card - even though I have a NVIDIA PCI graphics card > installed. During boot, it gets a render-error from the integrated > Intel graphics card (even though the BIOS has it disabled), and (not > knowing there is a PCI NVIDIA card), aborts loading the system. The > abandonment by Linux of the old Intel graphics cards cuts very deeply... > > -- > Sincerely, > Aere > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:06:54 +0000 > From: Ian Bruntlett <[email protected]> > Cc: lubuntu user list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for > testing > Message-ID: > <CACTsAG1sHtX2OJ9pVb0nKn=Q= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > About Aere's problems... > > I have some old Dell Optiplex desktop PCs with Intel i810 chipsets in them. > I don't want to throw them away. I am working on chasing down the problem > and finding a fix to it. I'm good with C, rusty with x86 assembler and > don't know much about Linux Device driver programming. > > I've written up my problems with those PCs and you can read them at your > leisure at:- > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1385920 > > Don't throw your old PCs out just yet! > > BW, > > > Ian > > -- > -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org > -- Free Software page - > http://contactmorpeth.wikispaces.com/SoftwareToolkit > -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/attachments/20141106/9f2543e7/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:28:46 -0800 > From: Walter Lapchynski <[email protected]> > To: Ian Bruntlett <[email protected]>, Aere Greenway > <[email protected]>, Nio Wiklund <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > lubuntu user list <[email protected]> > Subject: nasty display bugs > Message-ID: > < > cafe_ewjqqqcndqoue43286uuemkvd0sl0zhgk7rwfvn_n-k...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Ian's bug is apparently i810? On 14.10, no kernel module being used. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1385920 > > Aere's bug is i915 I think. On 14.04, with i915 kernel module, I think. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1389904 > > My guess is these are different. They do have the same results > apparently. We need to figure out if the same bug affects both chips > (in which case we have a duplicate) or if this is something else > entirely. > > We also need to figure out which chips this affects. Saying "old > Intel" isn't descriptive enough, really. > > It would be valuable to know which versions this applies to and which > versions it doesn't. > > We should try different kernel modules and different kernel boot > parameters. > > Also, this SHOULD affect all flavors and not just Lubuntu. This needs > to be tested as well. > > Since only users that have this hardware can reproduce it, those users > need to gather as much information as humanly possible so that the bug > can be triaged. Otherwise, it's likely not going to go anywhere. > > I see now why this wasn't reported during testing: because so few of > the tests were done with this hardware. This is why it's so valuable > to have hardware testing done. > > I appreciate you guys reporting this bug and I'm sorry that the > solution is a bunch of hard work on your part, but I don't know what > else I can do except encourage you to give us more information! > > -- > @wxl > Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA > Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact > Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Lubuntu-users mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users > > > End of Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 11 > ********************************************* >
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