2013/10/30 Iberê Fernandes <[email protected]> > 2013/10/30 Ali Linx (amjjawad) <[email protected]> > >> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Iberê Fernandes < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi there! >>> >>> Should we announce in our channels at Facebook and G+ that Lubuntu 12.04 >>> has reached EOL? >>> >>> I'm not running Lubuntu 12.04 and I don't have a L12.04 image. >>> >>> If someone still has Lubuntu 12.04, could you provide the output of this >>> command, please? >>> >>> ubuntu-support-status --show-all >>> >>> source: >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Iberê >>> >> >> Hi, >> >> This is: Linux 3.2.0-55-generic #85-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 2 12:29:27 UTC >> 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux (Lubuntu 12.04 amd64). >> >> Output of that tricky command is: >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> *$ ubuntu-support-status --show-all* >> >> *You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m) >> * >> You have 15 packages (1.2%) supported until April 2015 (18m) >> You have 996 packages (81.9%) supported until April 2017 (5y) >> You have 3 packages (0.2%) supported until October 2018 (5y) >> >> You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded >> You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported >> >> *Supported until October 2013 (18m):* >> esound-common libaudiofile1 libcue1 libenca0 libesd0 libgsf-1-114 >> libgsf-1-common libid3tag0 libimlib2 libmad0 libva-x11-1 libvdpau1 >> libxcb-composite0 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-xv0 notification-daemon pidgin >> pidgin-data xscreensaver xscreensaver-data >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> NOW, which part that tells you this system has reached its EOL and should >> NOT be used? this part? >> *"You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)"* >> >> If YES, then what is the difference between this: >> *You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m) >> * >> * >> * >> and this: >> * >> * >> *You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported* >> >> The reason why I am asking is because the output of: >> >> *$ ubuntu-support-status --show-all* >> * >> * >> That shows "unsupported packages" on my Lubuntu 12.04 Installation *(which >> supposed that it has reached its EOL)* is very close to the output that >> shows "unsupported packages" on my Lubuntu 13.04 installation *which has >> NOT yet reached its EOL*. >> >> Examples of *mutual* *'unsupported packages'* on both my Lubuntu >> *12.04*installation and Lubuntu >> *13.04* installations: >> >> >> - lubuntu-artwork >> - lxpanel >> - lxsession >> - xfce4-power-manager >> - pcmanfm >> >> >> These packages (just an example of much more packages) are indeed on the >> official repositories. >> >> These packages, as per the command, are not supported whether on Lubuntu >> 12.04 or Lubuntu 13.04. >> >> Now, I do hope you see why this is confusing. >> >> If both Lubuntu 12.04 and Lubuntu 13.04 showing the SAME unsupported >> packages, HOW CAN you tell which system has reached its EOL and must not be >> used and which system is still usable? >> >> Unless of course, the part that says "unsupported packages" should be >> ignored and this part is what we need to look at to tell which has reached >> its EOL and which one is not: >> >> *Lubutnu 12.04* >> *You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)* >> You have 15 packages (1.2%) supported until April 2015 (18m) >> You have 996 packages (81.9%) supported until April 2017 (5y) >> You have 3 packages (0.2%) supported until October 2018 (5y) >> >> >> You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded >> You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported >> >> *Lubuntu 13.04* >> *You have 1200 packages (84.8%) supported until January 2014 (9m) >> *You have 12 packages (0.8%) supported until July 2014 (9m) >> >> You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded >> You have 203 packages (14.3%) that are unsupported >> >> - - - - - - >> >> HOWEVER, why PCManFM for example or LXPanel is UNsupported on 13.04? >> >> I hope you see why this is confusing and I do strongly suggest we create a >> * NEW Wiki Page* to explain this since this has been an endless debate >> since Lubuntu 12.04 (one year and a half). >> >> By the way, I have: >> Lubuntu 12.04 installation >> Lubuntu 13.04 installation >> and Lubuntu 13.10 installation >> >> So, if you need/require the full output (to compare), let me know! >> >> >> -- >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." >> Best Regards, >> amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad> >> Areas of Involvement<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement> >> My Projects <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects> >> > > > I'm running Lubuntu 13.04. Maybe you didn't get my reply quoting the > answer from our friend vasa1: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-October/005892.html > > What he said makes sense: > $ apt-cache show lxpanel > Package: lxpanel > Priority: optional > Section: universe/x11 > Installed-Size: 3279 > Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <[email protected]> > Original-Maintainer: Debian LXDE Maintainers <[email protected]> > Architecture: i386 > Version: 0.5.12-0ubuntu2 > Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), > libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.35.9), libgtk2.0-0 (>= > 2.24.0), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1), libmenu-cache2, libwnck22 (>= 1:2.22), > libx11-6, lxmenu-data > Recommends: xterm | pavucontrol | gnome-alsamixer > Suggests: lxsession | menu, iceweasel | www-browser > Filename: pool/universe/l/lxpanel/lxpanel_0.5.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb > > Note that lxpanel above is from pool/universe > > Now the same command against esound-common: > ~$ apt-cache show esound-common > Package: esound-common > Priority: optional > Section: sound > Installed-Size: 80 > Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <[email protected]> > Original-Maintainer: Josselin Mouette <[email protected]> > Architecture: all > Source: esound > Version: 0.2.41-10ubuntu1 > Conflicts: libesd-alsa0 > Filename: pool/main/e/esound/esound-common_0.2.41-10ubuntu1_all.deb > Size: 9412 > > Supported: 9m > > > So this package is from pool/main. > > So from vasa1 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu, > I believe (not sure) that both main and restricted repositories are the > ones supported by Canonical. > > > > My 2 cents. >
Using Synaptic, I've just found some packages from restricted repositories (pool/restricted): $ apt-cache show bcmwl-kernel-source (btw, i'm not using it.. to buggy for me. i prefer b43 driver) Package: bcmwl-kernel-source Priority: optional Section: restricted/admin Installed-Size: 3575 Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <[email protected]> Original-Maintainer: Alberto Milone <[email protected]> Architecture: i386 Source: bcmwl Version: 6.20.155.1+bdcom-0ubuntu6 Replaces: bcmwl-modaliases Depends: dkms, linux-libc-dev, libc6-dev Conflicts: bcmwl-modaliases Filename: pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel-source_6.20.155.1+bdcom-0ubuntu6_i386.deb Size: 1303434 MD5sum: 73dbc957c22529184228fc9e30d74658 SHA1: 9a109f48d4525e25b7f331d219a7fdc1b8aa4d46 SHA256: 501e34c3807b53bde3dace456c4139c2c2043252408679e8002cc6ab57677eb8 Description-pt_BR: Código-fonte do driver Linux para a placa sem fio Broadcom 802.11 STA Esse pacote contém o driver Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA para rede sem-fio para usar com hardwares baseados nos BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4313-, BCM4321-, BCM4322-, BCM43224-, e BCM43225-, BCM43227- e BCM43228 da Broadcom.. Modaliases: wl(pci:v000014E4d*sv*sd*bc02sc80i*) Description-md5: 9da890d8409fb430fa6f9a0c8a37934a Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug Origin: Ubuntu Supported: 9m $ apt-cache show fglrx Package: fglrx Priority: extra Section: restricted/misc Installed-Size: 135941 Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers <[email protected]> Architecture: i386 Source: fglrx-installer Version: 2:9.010-0ubuntu3 Replaces: fglrx-driver, xorg-driver-binary Provides: fglrx-driver, xorg-driver-binary, xorg-driver-video Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, libxxf86vm1, dkms, make, linux-libc-dev, xorg-video-abi-11 | xorg-video-abi-12 | xorg-video-abi-13, xserver-xorg-core Recommends: fglrx-amdcccle Conflicts: fglrx-driver, xorg-driver-binary Filename: pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx_9.010-0ubuntu3_i386.deb Size: 47845558 MD5sum: bea77943229811d2bc8daf6d5fb99853 SHA1: 362548eb61a9238cfdeaf3bf06c1c78e40f7b2f8 SHA256: 298a988eec013c660ee2997e6e1b8ec699f5103e8754ffb2d44ff8c984e4eeec Description-pt_BR: Driver de vídeo para os aceleradores gráficos AMD Driver de vídeo para os aceleradores gráficos AMD Radeon e FireGL. . Esse pacote fornece drivers 2D e aceleração OpenGL por hardware. Homepage: http://support.amd.com Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug Origin: Ubuntu Supported: 9m What do you think? Best regards, Iberê PS: credit goes to vasa1 that enlightened the path to the truth...:)
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