On Nov 3, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Digy wrote:

> 
> 
> PS: While we were happily living under "incubator", PMC forced us to become
> a graduate project. Although nothing has changed since than(Lucene.Net's
> life goes that way since years), now PMC says, "you should return back to
> incubator or find another place". I think it's insulting. I lost my itch.
> 

I'm sorry you feel that way.  It's not meant to be insulting and I highly doubt 
that is why you stopped contributing.  The move back to the Incubator is solely 
for Lucene.NET's good and the tone of your email exactly underscores why the 
community should be on it's own under it's own PMC.  Your comment also 
underscores, however, important points about what the ASF is and is not.  No 
one forced you to graduate, but as you can no doubt guess by the name 
"Incubator" is is meant to allow a project to mature, it is not a home for 
life.  .NET was in the Incubator for a _long_ time.  Way longer than most 
projects.  Chickens don't stay in their eggs forever, they hatch and become 
adults.  It's the same for Podlings.  At the time, it appeared the community 
was ready to graduate, so you graduated.  Now, it seems the community has 
regressed because no one has stepped up to contribute.  None of the committers 
have been active for a good long time.  The ASF isn't interested in keeping 
projects around that are suffering from bit rot  and as a PMC we're tired of 
being the nag to tell the community to fill out Board reports, etc.  
Furthermore, the PMC is saying go back to the Incubator if you want to stay at 
the ASF so that you can get some new blood without having to go through the 
normal committer election process and so that .NET can be owned by people who 
care about .NET.  That is a _good_ thing for .NET.  You should want that and 
you are a prime candidate to be on that PMC and have a say in how the project 
operates.  

I suppose your other path is to somehow convince a few people to start 
contributing real patches and then somehow convince the PMC that these new 
contributors are capable committers as well as address all the other issues 
stated at the beginning of this thread and then go to the Board and ask to be a 
TLP.  This latter approach will likely take a good 3-6 months.  The Incubator 
approach means you could have new committers helping do real work in a matter 
of weeks, if not less if you are sufficiently motivated.

-Grant

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