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isp-nt...Chetete i se posmeite. Kakvi umni hora sa amerikancite. Mi da me proshtavat, ama s toia nachin na mislene na srednia amerikanec, nishto chudno, che edna shepa riazani bradati polugramotni kozli sa im vzeli straha i koshmara. Kakto kazvashe moiata uchitelka po filosofia: "Srednostatisticheskiat amerikanec e s izkluchitelno niska kultura, agresiven i s nadnormeno teglo". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: RE: That damned Linux and > Along these lines I totally agree. I can still program with the some of > the best of them and yet I would rather be a sys admin (not saying that > I have a total brain here) but I would like to point out ALL HAIL UNCLE > BILL because with out some of the crap that he puts out I would not have > a job at least I can do something that I like. All I am saying is why > make things harder then they need to be. Make it easy because not > everyone wants to know all the things that you would have to know with > Linux they just want a computer to type there papers and get emails and > some even like to program in Windows. I like Microsoft (even though I > use to work for them) to the extent that I teach my son how to program > with C++ and VB so he knows what he wants to know without having to know > a lot of extra crap about how the OS works. He just wants to play games > and tinker anyway so why discourage him with trying to understand how to > run a shell when if he wants I will teach him or he will learn on his > own. I have to say that all of the Microsoft Bashing that goes on is > because everyone wants to know how to get the code for the Operating > systems so that you can tweak then. If that is not the case then why > bother bashing them in the first place run what you like. I run > multiple platforms all the time there are something's that I like to do > in Linux something's that I like to do in Windows. So it makes little > difference to me what OS is out and is the flavor of the month. I will > tell you that real computer people are the same. They don't care what > OS is on the machine because they have their favorite and ones they > hate. But bashing gets you know where because all the people that you > bash one will be the person to help you on another day. > > Dennis Bauer > Colorado School of Mines > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phillip Zadarnowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:38 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: That damned Linux and > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Phillip Zadarnowski wrote: > > >> If I had kids at school, Linux and some half-assed office software is > > >> the last thing I'd want them learning to use. > > >Ahem. I object to the "half-assed" comment. > > Objection overruled :-) > > >I also ask why you would > >want your hypothetical children learning only how to use particular > >application or operating system, rather than learning how to use a > computer. > >That is what your comment implies. > > Because its like learning to drive under the rules of a particular > country and state, not just learning to drive. One is very specific and > lets you get about legally and safely and productively in the state you > learn to drive in, the other is generic and while you can surely "drive" > any vehicle, it isn't practical, legal or safe. > > >>If these children learned how to use a > >>computer, they would have no trouble ramping up on something new. > > I'm not sure what you think using a computer implies, but 90% plus > people use computers as the tool that it is, and the really important > part is the application knowledge. Few users can run a shell or a > command box to good effect. Windows, be it xwindows, Mac, or Win is > essentially generic. One thing for sure, experience in common and well > regarded software counts for more than knowing how to do some low-level > utility stuff across a half dozen platforms. > > I'm not advocating the dumbing down of users - they just start off that > way and very few need to progress outside of a set of packages and > procedures. The world is awash with Software Horrors, but MS, bless > Gates' black monopomistic soul, lets us face our daily (and nightly) > grind with some dignity. > > >>Only by brainwashing them into thinking that Microsoft is the only > >>software company in existence would there be a problem. > > That's just political talk, not practical talk. > > >> Also, the rest of the world isn't interested in the US's > >> categorization of monopoly companies. > > >True. Of course, if anything, Microsoft is in more trouble with > >anti-trust regulators outside of the US. Both the EU and Japan have > >had their eye on them for some time. > > And none of them will do a damn thing because their legal systems are > virtually powerless in this regard. > > >>A computer system being used for production work requires significant > >>effort to administer, regardless of whether it is Microsoft-based, > >>Unix-based, or something else entirely. This misconception that NT and > > >>IIS are somehow "easier" to administer is what lead to things like > >>Code Red and Nimda being such a problem. > > No, absolute dimwitted coding by MS is what lets a malformed string > crash the package and OS into a unsecure heap, and MS isn't the only > one. > > True, amin is never easy, but there is considerably less messing around > in Windows. > > I'm a born-again geek - been down to the depths through pcode and > machine code to the heights of user idiocy and back. To me, the > transformation of my computer when I swap out Drive 1 "XP/W2K/98" with > Drive 2 "Redhat/SuSE" is going from a friendly relationship of some 6 > years into a pit of darkened hell with its gadget-strewn desktops and > nerve-jangling would-be office systems. > > Dammit, I luv MS to death, I can't help it. I'm sure -- I can feel it in > my brittle bones -- that MS is secretly working up Billux V1.0 and > writing IE9.9 and Office LX to thrill the world in 2005. World Software > Domination for MS is just an announcement away. All your OS are belong > to us, and for good measure, all your Office Systems are belong to us > too, thus goes the MS litany of The Future according to Bill. > > Ah the good old days of OS9, Transputers, Occam and True Basic have left > me forever. > > Praise Bill. > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ISP-Planet: The Intelligence Center for the ISP Community > http://www.isp-planet.com/ Where the world evolves around your > ISP-Business > > ______________ The ISP-NT Discussion List ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-nt/archives/ > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ISP-Planet: The Intelligence Center for the ISP Community > http://www.isp-planet.com/ > Where the world evolves around your ISP-Business > > ______________ The ISP-NT Discussion List ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-nt/archives/ =========================================================================== A mail-list of Linux Users Group - Bulgaria (bulgarian linuxers) http://www.linux-bulgaria.org/ Hosted by Internet Group Ltd. - Stara Zagora
