On Tuesday 14 June 2005 19:25, Ronny wrote:
> Now thats why other ISP's are better than others...

This is true, because then it ceases to become a 
technical issue, and more of an enterprise one. Like 
we've mentioned before, selling connectivity alone isn't 
a sustainable model, especially in developed markets. 
Being able to come up with value-adds (security) allows 
ISP's to differentiate themselves from each other.

However, because they can differentiate, doesn't mean 
they have to give it for free. The options are;

a) Either you design and implement your own security

or

b) Find an ISP that has a security product/service that
   will bundle it into your service for a fee.


You shouldn't expect ISP's to offer security for nothing. 
Smaller, up and coming ISP's may do that, but as 
customer base increases, it's no longer sustainable to 
maintain a Santa Claus model.

> coz 
> they protect their clients too not just thier
> infrustructure!.

And how do they do this, Ronny? Do they fix a PIX on each 
dial-up/leased line customer that connects to their 
network? Do they write access lists that protect their 
customers. Well, let's just say they did this, are we 
saying all our security needs are the same?

> Who doesn't like protection in here ? 

Of course we all like security, but wherever you turn, 
it's an expensive commodity (your home, your job, your 
marriage, your finances, e.t.c.), why should you expect 
it for free from an ISP?

ISP's will provide enough security for free that enables 
them to continue to provide a quality service, i.e., 
mitigate DoS attacks by applying routing policies or 
installing IDS systems, block non-routable IP address to 
reduce noise, firewall their servers to prevent 
unauthorised access, e.t.c.

Most co-location hotels now have an optional service 
where they can stick your server behind gear 
specifically designed to reduce the effects of DoS on 
your service. Optional... (means you have to pay).

> So you mean the ISP shouldn't protect its mobile
> employees but protect their emails at work? :-) .

Of course, it should - it provides them with a VPN client 
to log back into an on-site VPN server so they have 
connectivity as the run along, and that's its 
responsibility to the company, not to you. It's up to 
you to ensure YOU protect YOUR employees.

Mark.

> Ronny
>
> Mark Tinka wrote:
> >On Tuesday 14 June 2005 16:35, Ronny wrote:
> >>Is  Uganda ready for this is the next question?
> >
> >Why not?
> >
> >The only security an ISP rolling out hotspots should
> > be concerned about is ensuring services aren't
> > stolen, and that clients cannot use the wireless
> > system to crack any of the ISP's infrastructure.
> >
> >As Uncle Luke 'The Duck' Styles would say, "The rest
> > is up to you".
> >
> >Mark.

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