On Tuesday 07 February 2006 15:03, Guido Sohne wrote: This isn't an unreasonable argument.
Mark. > It's not a joke I am making. > > My point is that if I see a woman, I don't want to > approach (professionally speaking) her because she is a > woman. I want to approach her because I am interested > in what she is bringing to the table. > > To base on gender is simply discrimination. I am > calling on the LinuxChix to indicate that while I am > fully in support of women in Linux and more generally > in IT, that I advise them to aspire to merit and not to > rest on the laurels of gender. > > Otherwise, please explain to me why it is that we are > not in need of a LinuxDudes, because there are already > so many of us in it (i.e. male dominated) ... I am > saying it is male dominated because of lack of interest > in the female section. I think LinuxChix will help get > more women interested. But I am saying that they should > focus on MERIT and not GENDER and compete with us men > on MERIT, so as to hopefully become BETTER THAN US. > > I want more females. But I want them to be real and to > perform and not to have them in there because their > bodies are different from mine. If you let women into > IT/Linux without telling them that they should do it on > MERIT and not on GENDER alone, then it is you who are > discriminating by implicitly telling them that it is ok > not to have merit because of their gender. > > -- G. > > On Feb 7, 2006, at 11:07 AM, NUWAMANYA Daniel wrote: > > I think this is going too far. All of us know Ernest > > was trying to crack although it looks like he's not > > good at it. We shouldn't make a big fuss about it. If > > you feel you want to compete with the ladies by > > starting "linux dudes", go ahead but am sure there > > won't be enough quorum. > > > > Guido Sohne wrote: > >> On Feb 6, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Ernest, B.M (AfriNIC - ZA) wrote: > >>>> It is high time we started Linux Dudes Uganda :-) > >>>> PS: Don't flame me. > >>> > >>> no need for flames. By default, some things are for > >>> dudes. Thats why when chix take the plunge and > >>> join, they want publicity :) > >> > >> My experience has been that women in IT are more > >> hampered by lack of hard work and self application > >> (as well as general lack of interest or low level > >> of interest) than by anything else. But we can't > >> come right out and say this, to avoid ruffling > >> feathers? > >> > >> Why should we take a mediocre bunch and praise them, > >> and not praise the men who are pursuing deep > >> knowledge and excellence? Am not accusing anyone of > >> being inadequate but am rather saying that they > >> should prove themselves on merit, not gender. > >> > >> I can understand how publicity would help, but I > >> think that to reward gender on its own basis is > >> itself a form of discrimination. > >> > >> -- G. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> LUG mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM > >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> > >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever > >> posted them (including attachments if any). The > >> List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > >> --------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > Daniel NUWAMANYA > > Senior Web Developer/Administrator > > Parliament of Uganda > > P.O BOX 7178, Kampala > > Tel: 256 77 319699 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever > > posted them (including attachments if any). The > > List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > > --------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted > them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is > not responsible for them in any way. > ---------------------------------------
pgpDVQca4LmSw.pgp
Description: PGP signature
_______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---------------------------------------
